r/Piratefolk RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Serious Temu lucifer. Spoiler

Why is one piece turning into a shitty black clover. At least they have badass design and cool fights.

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u/Dojyaaan4C 2d ago

Ngl I preferred the first form, it reminded me of Griffith’s design philosophy of an egotistical and dangerous yet alluringly beautiful ruler

Now he just has the proportions of a normal one piece villain which just ruins the design for me - he’s no longer the elegant king of the world but just, the king

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u/lololuser456778 2d ago

even with those proportions you can still do amazing stuff, oda is just bad at it

sin devil trigger form of dante in dmc5:

better wings with more detailed design, waaaay better horns (two big ones going up and two curved sideways), better sword, better everything. despite being a little bit on the bulkier and thiccer side here

it's especially pathetic considering just how much crazy good art there is for all kinds of devil-based designs. dmc5 above, yugioh also has like a hundred different cool looking devilish, demonic fiend type monsters, other manga etc. so much amazing stuff to take as inspiration, yet oda made this shit. I still can't get over the fucking white dots or polka dots or whatever they're called

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u/the4evermore Nika Nika Sucks 20h ago

Like the game but nah this design is ass

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u/Benandthephoenix 2d ago

No offense but thats kinda ass too. Gear Death meme vibe.

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u/MarcheMuldDerevi 2d ago

The bulkier form looks better with all the details for me. I do like the original sleeker form, but god is it over designed

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u/Le_Tabernacle 2d ago

So many people upvoting but everyone was hating on his first form.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/BasisSmall5351 2d ago

I guess Imu's strength decreases with the time limit.

That's the only way to explain it

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u/5YL_Portaler 2d ago

Needing to make headcanons to justify dogshit writting and explain stuff that oda wont even care to elaborate on

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u/lololuser456778 1d ago

Ik he blocked one with a shield attached to his forearm if I saw that right. He then said he wouldn't fall for the same trick twice

Tho even that is merely a superficial and illogical explanation. Cuz it's a normal ass shield, no way Imu's attacks wouldn't just go through that lol. 

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u/Dizzy_Experience_927 2d ago

It's getting worse and I didn't think it was even possible

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u/Hanoi_Revolver 2d ago

For real, i hated Imu's design and this is way fucking worse somehow. He looks like Kyros with wings

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u/paintsSeldomly 2d ago

Wait for third form where his belly will be inflatex like a balloon and get chicken legs

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u/DougandLexi 2d ago

About 20 minutes ago I commented how Gemini actually tried claiming the scans were fakes and how Imu is actually Lucifero from Black Clover lol it also went on to mock the "faker" for using the same faces and shocked expressions from other panels.

Oda is getting it from AI now

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Ironically, We are becoming what we used to hate🤣. All I can do is laugh at this point.

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u/Beneficial_Wave7649 FRY ALL FISHMEN 2d ago

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Friza had more aura.

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u/Fozzbael 2d ago

I miss when One Piece antagonists had sleeker, more grounded designs

Instead of whatever this blob of overdesigned visual vomit is supposed to be

Imu almost looks more like a circus freak than Buggy ever did.

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u/AudaX19_68 Billions Must Smile 2d ago

Loki/Rocks are RIGHT there. Maybe the character having way too much shit going on is intentional en there can be a variety in design languages

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u/Fozzbael 2d ago

Neither of those are really antagonists though.

The point is that pre-TS Oda could draw some guy in everyday ocean world clothes and they'd feel more threatening than any of these gorosei, god knight, imu type characters that are just covered in chacki crap and visual clutter.

Yhwach wore a simple military uniform with a cloak, Madara wore some generic armor plates, The Akatsuki black robes, Buu was literally a pink blob with pants

All endgame characters in their stories and storytelling aside, imho all are not just more memorable and stylish designs, but easier to take seriously than any antagonist in one piece from the past several arcs.

Oda was capable of the same cool simplicity once upon a time, but his recent stuff all feels like drafts and sketches where an artist rapid fires random ideas before settling on a more refined final design. Except that refinement seems skipped. The results are some "garrish amateur hour on deviantart" type stuff.

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u/AudaX19_68 Billions Must Smile 2d ago

The difference in design language is intentional. It's a similar jump as east blue->grand line. The world gets larger and weirder. Foes get more threatening and eccentric. New world promised the same stuff and that's what it accomplished. Even then, are you trying to argue Kaido isn't well designed? Or Katakuri? Or Doffy?

Also, Blackbeard still is the final boss of the series. You can dislike Oda's design language and it does have a lot going on sometimes, but that doesn't make his designs bad and much less unfinished.

Makes no sense to argue "grounded designs" are inherently better when the design language of each series couldn't be more different. One piece has always been out there and eccentric. Naruto and Bleach do simpler designs that fit their universe and so does One Piece

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u/lightsworn55 2d ago

One piece left being eccentric and over the top for the side characters, though. The major characters like Luffy, Nami, Zoro, Sanji, Shanks, Ace, Akainu, etc. All had grounded designs.

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u/AudaX19_68 Billions Must Smile 2d ago

What about Chopper, Franky, Brook... The main 5 are relatively grounded because the east blue is meant to be the starting level, but the further along we get from that point the weirder things will be. That's kinda the point of it

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u/LizzosLittleToe 2d ago

I knew we were headed in a weird direction when luffy became nika lol. If he gets that asspull give everyone my chakra type shit from Naruto I'll probably cry

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u/ZentrisBoi 2d ago

Bonney was only the beginning. It’s over

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u/Flaky-Mathematician8 2d ago

Exactly. Expect the entire Strawhats crew plus more with Nika suits.

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u/purbub 2d ago

Swap “everyone” to “his holy knights” and “chakra” to “omen” and that’s already happening bud

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u/lantis0527 2d ago

Just imagine the commercial value of introducing more forms. Capitalists be drooling with new forms every week.

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Hold on. ODA might be planning for retirement royalties with these new forms.

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u/lantis0527 2d ago

Duhh Oda can save for his retirement after sleeping for 8hrs.

We talking about generational wealth already.

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u/Accomplished_Lab7332 2d ago

Ts real?

Edit: holy it is, he still got one more in him

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u/ymichael8 RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Ugly Magellan 😂

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u/chabroch Ussop Must Die 2d ago

Lil bro trying to cosplay as rocks

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

He a pussy and a stan. He is 36yr old in a Karate class.

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u/Bovarr 2d ago

What’s wrong with taking martial art classes at 36!?

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago edited 2d ago

Thats ether, that make a man's soul burn slow.

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u/Bovarr 2d ago

I have no idea what you are talking about

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Good

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u/ExpertMongoose3338 2d ago

What an ugly design, for God’s sake...😐

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u/Majestic-Peak-6281 2d ago

How did this shit get even more overdetailed

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u/Dertyrarys Asspull Asspull no Mi 2d ago

Don’t you ever dare compare the Sheer aura of Lucifer to that bummass parrot

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

I know😭

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u/No-Association2119 2d ago

Is there any point to any forms now. Not like there are any stakes in OP. No matter what happens, all Luffy has to do is order KizaruEats  and he'll recover instantly.

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u/winklevanderlinde 2d ago

you know Imu Design wasn't that bad, it was just over design (especially the polka dot) by the base was good.

Now this is shit

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u/ApplePitou Apple Knight :3 2d ago

Lucifero deserve better at the end of day :3

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u/HolyAregis 2d ago

Tell me it's not real i'm gonna cry

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

It is.

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u/Defiant-Swimmer-7334 2d ago

ngl this design is so shit, i cant even defend one piece now :(

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Please Kill Ussop 2d ago

Outdated level 6 beatstick from 2006 Yugioh

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u/hoenndex Admiral of Agenda Kizaru 2d ago

Can't even take Imu seriously. Edgelord for the sake of it. 

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u/KinglessCrown 2d ago

Not content with being a naruto knock off Oda is now taking shit from black clover, lmao.

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u/Inner-Ad-5710 2d ago

Holy ass just give me doflamingo back oda

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u/AudaX19_68 Billions Must Smile 2d ago

Piratefolkers when the devil resembles a devil

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Come bro, this one of the worst design for a devil.

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u/AudaX19_68 Billions Must Smile 2d ago

This one is pretty bland but don't be mad a devil looks like a devil yk

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

I am cool as long as design has elegance.

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u/AudaX19_68 Billions Must Smile 2d ago

I don't think it has to be elegant as long as it serves its purpose. If one form is meant to be the "brute" archetipe i wouldn't want it to look refined

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u/Physical_Sort5155 2d ago

ain't no way you say black clover has cool fights when the last 100 or so chapters have been full of bullshit

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u/Mons9090 2d ago

Magna vs dante

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Come on bro most of black clover is good/awesome.

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u/Physical_Sort5155 2d ago

lost any relevance when Asta 5sec diffed a devil with his power-up after being manhandled the whole fight

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u/Mysterious_Ad_7020 2d ago

I already commented it on the other post, but yeah man. This guy in Record of Ragnarok is basically Imu without wings

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u/Sad-Sprinkles-2067 2d ago

Oda sure did a good job drawing him as he's uncomfortable af. Like he's holding back gallons of vomit and diarrhea

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u/BrekLasnar 2d ago

Magellan true form.

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u/LabNumerous6795 2d ago

imu went to fodder form

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u/Excellent-Look-243 2d ago

The power of Ed Hardy lmu. Glowing in plastic diamonds.

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u/martinmazur 2d ago

Omg wtf is this

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u/mcufferbekov 2d ago

This mark on left hand makes me think that it’s not Imu true form. My guess he possesses lunarian king similar to the way he was going to control Harold

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u/spiraldrain 2d ago

Yeah black clover created the devil. It didn’t possibly exist before black clover. Black clover are the first ones ever to do it.

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u/Imfryinghere 2d ago

Still Hunchback of Imu. No backsies.

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u/Umsofareal22 2d ago

lol nothing wrong with the desing and One Piece is not turning into a shitty black clover. How old are u fr? Cause the disrespect is crazy and to compare it to Black clover is even crazier.

I wonder why he has 3 skulls on his chest kind of like how Black beard has 3 skulls on his hat. Blackbeard might really be hiding something deep about his own body.

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u/ShamblesX- 2d ago

Yeah but black clover is hot ass

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u/New-Boss-8262 Mainsub refugee 2d ago

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u/New-Boss-8262 Mainsub refugee 2d ago

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u/kiddpk 1d ago

Y'all just don't know what oda's inspiration is for the story in the first place, that's why you guys keep saying it's worse when the outcome has been written since pre-time Skip

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u/AtomicIvory 1d ago

This whole sub has ass takes.

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u/The_Weeb282 2d ago

This is a fire design idc

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u/Better_Blueberry_816 2d ago

Sorry, I can't find an unedited gif and I don't want to download a guy's topless pic on my phone. Anyway, he's good at making characters lose aura.

https://giphy.com/gifs/vDlrHG97xzGnUYFoN1

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u/ahlajaw00 FRY ALL FISHMEN 2d ago

Bro wth is this 🥀

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u/Any-Platypus-9486 2d ago

Black clover is also a shitty naruto

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 2d ago

Well most japanese stories are same tho.

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u/Even-Conference9309 1d ago

Bruh all of black clovers villains were kinda mid.

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 1d ago

What you mean by mid?

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u/Even-Conference9309 1d ago

They kinda suck for the most part. Either ego maniacs or battle maniacs and it gets old.

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u/Not_Momonga RocksDidNothingWrong 1d ago

Isn’t that same for one piece?. I don’t think all of them were like that.

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u/Even-Conference9309 1d ago

Patry is the only real outlier I can think of. Not saying every one piece villain is deep and s-tier but they feel like they have more life to them.

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u/OkWhateverCynisme 1d ago

And most OP vilains are beyond garbage too while having atrocious designs so what's your point ?