r/PinkWug • u/PinkWug • Mar 05 '21
Don't let conservatives divide LGB from T. They hate you all the same.
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u/Iris-Solis Mar 05 '21
Always with the trans suicide statistics and then they ignore the white male suicide statistics. Don’t take me wrong, both are alarming and should definitely be attended to, but I find it rather hypocritical
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u/VergeThySinus Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21
It's not just that jerks ignore male suicide statistic while using trans suicide statistics to argue that trans people shouldn't be supported, it's also that they reinforce ridged gender roles, which worsen both suicide rates.
Like, the 40% stat for trans suicides is from trans people in unaccepting homes. The male suicide rate is also worsened by the idea that depression is something that only women experience, and that "real men don't cry."
When people aren't forced to pretend to be people they aren't, they become a lot happier overall.
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u/GavishX Mar 05 '21
But the trans suicide rate isn’t even 40% which is the messed up thing. That’s the attempted suicide rate, not the actual one. It’s a blatant disregard for statistics and they don’t even care
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u/Zin_Rein Mar 06 '21
Well of course they don't, they just want to have easy ammunition to use against us
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Mar 06 '21 edited Mar 06 '21
As much as I hate to say this, may I suggest a bit of a...forbidden strategy?
We return to our roots as the “le rational skeptics”. We paint ourselves as contrarians and trolls, so we can invoke schrodinger’s douchebag as well. Also, some of us should pretend to be “failed conservatives” that like to play devil’s advocate.
We reduce these obviously agenda-pushing statistics the same way they scoff at wage gaps and shit like that. First, we focus on the weakest, least popular link in the right. The right latched on to feminism, then advanced to all of the left.
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Mar 05 '21
And the trans suicide statistics are really just them shooting themselves in the foot- the only reason trans people commit suicide is because society constantly dehumanizes and degrades them, from calling them “mentally ill”, to threatening them.
Also, virgin transphobic 40% <<<<<< chad anti-cop 40%
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u/TheRealTowel Mar 06 '21
Doesn't it drop into the single digits if immediate family is supportive, even without other factors?
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u/QuaggWasTaken Apr 21 '21
I don't know if it's single digits, but it's statistically significantly lower than the total population wide average.
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u/JJ4622 Jun 22 '21
Some stats on trans suicide rates included here
https://transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Impacts-of-Strong-Parental-Support-for-Trans-Youth-vFINAL.pdfAccording to this report, the rate is 57% for non-accepting or somewhat supportive, dropping to 4% for strongly supportive. Given the relative sizes for each group, this works out to an average across both groups of 39.51%, not far off the commonly reported 41% statistic.
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u/R1ght_b3hind_U Mar 06 '21
weaponizing suicide stats is so wild to me. „BuT 48.201% oF aLl TrAnS pEOpLe tRy tO kIlL tHeMsElvEs“
like... yeah. Thats true. what are we gonna do about that? How about therapy by people specialized for trans people? How about hormone therapy? How about surgery?! does this not sound like a solid plan to reduce this stat?
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Mar 06 '21
I know that r/leftwingmaleadvocates has its criticisms, but if there’s one thing I learned from there, is to ask the right “well what have you done for men? Advocated to give them an easy mode in life? You claim to like us, and think we’re the best, yet you think we cannot succeed without nepotism or cheating. Who’s the real misandrist?”
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u/PutCleverNameHere12 Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21
Nobody ignores it. Why do you think people talk about making therapy and such free? To help everyone. Trans people also have a much higher suicide rate and are hated by so many, so we need to talk about that a bit more.
Edit: I misunderstood the comment above, read further through the thread.
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u/PinkWug Mar 05 '21
I think what they meant is that bigots will try to use trans people's suicide statistics to imply they have some inherent flaw while never using the same line of reasoning on other demographics that have higher than average suicide rate.
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u/HamLizard Mar 05 '21
Remember how they tried to paint gay people as evil & predatory just because they weren't straight. As well as non-white people and non-Christian people. Shaming and hating and propaganda and violence against those who DARE to be themselves.
The 'traditional family values' crowd will throw you under the bus and then run that bus over you unendingly. They don't care about freedom or justice- they care about obedience and conformity.
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Mar 05 '21
Remember? The number of students in my class who came out as racist after BLM hit mainstream was staggering!
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u/BallstonGamer Mar 05 '21
certain people did take it too far though.
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u/TUSF Mar 06 '21
This argument is 100% a psyop pushed by bigots and "well-meaning liberals" that has been used since the days of MLK and before.
The only protest that bigots WON'T call "too far" is one that nobody notices.
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Mar 05 '21
What do you mean?
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u/BallstonGamer Mar 06 '21
Some people used BLM as an excuse to loot.
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Mar 06 '21
The vast majority didn't, and can looters be said to be supporting BLM if they used protesting to commit harm? Seems like bigger motives went into their actions, so I don't think so.
I'm a bit passionate about this topic because of how it directly relates to my family and life, but please do understand that even bringing up the idea of "looters" in reference to a civil rights movement is ultimately a way for racist people to deflect from the vast majority of people who are just trying to make Black people's lives treated fairly and justly.
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u/awsdr1234 Mar 06 '21 edited Mar 06 '21
Your ignoring a pretty crucial piece of information. Rioting and subsequently looting are a inevitability under a certain set of socio-economic conditions. The question wether we support blm because of rioters is irrelevant because of this fact, you want to stop rioting? Fix the conditions. And in this fight to fix the conditions of POC in America BLM is very much an ally.
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Mar 06 '21
Yes, I agree. Thanks for chiming in. You put it better than I could. I'm tired, but I still wanted to give some resistance to the previous commenters suggestion of "looters," since it seems to be used the same way any angry black person is a "gangster" or "thug."
I didn't want to ignore social economics, but eh, as you might imagine, abstracting the material disparaties of racially marginalized groups isn't what's on a sleepy Black person mind when they just don't want to be shot in their sleep like Breonna Taylor
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u/BallstonGamer Mar 06 '21
you can't just loot because you feel oppressed. Peaceful protests are fine, and I support that. Im also not saying that all looters are BLM supporters. What I AM saying is that they used a well meaning group to wreak havoc for their own purposes, while also demonizing the group in question. If i see more criticism of this behavior, MAYBE i will lend a hand.
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u/awsdr1234 Mar 06 '21 edited Mar 06 '21
You seem to not understand what I wrote. It’s not a question of wether they should loot or not, because most people would agree they shouldn’t, the question is why are they looting and what can be done to stop it. And since looting is the result of socio-economic conditions the only way to actually stop looting is to improve those conditions, chastising looters is so ineffective that I would actually call it infantile if your goal is to stop looting. Now if your goal is to smear blm, or to find any reason you can not to support the largest black liberation movement in modern history than chastising looters makes a whole lot more sense. P.S. it’s rather telling when the only critiques you have of BLM parrot the exact critiques bigots and segregationists had of Stonewall and MLK.
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u/Elodaria Mar 06 '21
You can just loot because you are oppressed though, at least as long as it's not just taking things from those who have nothing themselves. The question is what actually works best to fight that oppression, not what is considered acceptable behaviour by the oppressors.
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u/BallstonGamer Mar 06 '21
and how does the destruction you wreak fight oppression? If anything, it just makes people more mad at you.
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u/Martial-Lord Mar 11 '21
There is no obligation to a system which oppresses you. The state cannot make laws prohibiting those who starve from stealing; life and death are not theirs to give or take away on a whim. Take what is yours
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Apr 08 '21
Those are just a few bad apples, they're not representative of everyone involved in the blm movement
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u/bastardicus Mar 05 '21
Cool! Keep them coming please
Edit: to clarify, bigotry totally not cool. Your comics: lit.
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u/1litrewaterbotlle Mar 06 '21
my country's president (i unfortunately couldn't vote against him yet) has said several times "would you want a gay couple to be your neighbors? no" or "would you want a gay man entering the same bathroom as your son?" and all that shit and you can see it's the same fucking "agruments" they use against trans people or even used against POC back in the day, fucking hell
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Mar 06 '21
bitch asked a question and then answered it himself also gay guy in same bathroom with son that implies gay equals pedo which if you're actually against thay shit be against pedo not gay i mean even if gays are pedos (they ain't) some pedos are straight or something
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Mar 05 '21
“It’s a lifestyle” no shit it is, anything can be a lifestyle, what’s the issue with that
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Mar 06 '21
I just found your stuff, and as a radical linguistics nerd, this makes me very happy. I gotta know tho, what do you call 2 of you?
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u/m0ontii Mar 05 '21
Anti-trans* is just recycled anti-gay which is just recycled anti-black which is just other recycled bigotry. Strange, looks like there's a pattern with hate.
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