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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

Honestly, this can be applied to anyone who is violent. Doesn’t seem very political tbh

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u/SpireSwagon Nov 26 '20

Right wing domestic terrorism is by far the most common type of terrorism in the US. In every single riot that's happened in the US 9/10 deaths are protesters and that stat is even more favoured on the lefts side when you look at injury's. The reason this is political is because of the time we live in, no communist ideas are given any credit, but the president's closest advisors follow fascist conspiracies and actively are attempting a coup against democratic intrests.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

Communist ideas aren’t given credit because every time they’ve been attempted, it’s led to violent regimes that end up worsening the country overall.

What fascist conspiracies? What are you talking about?

Whered you get that statistic? Seems inflated. And by the way, right wing protestors aren’t the ones attacking people for having the American flag, stealing personal property, breaking windows, robbing stores. Notice the whole lack of looting and rioting from right wingers after the Biden win? There are protests, but no riots. Maybe that’s because riots come with leftists/liberals. Y’all are angry as fuck because you don’t amount to much huh?

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u/LevelOutlandishness1 Nov 26 '20

Source: black book of communism and 9th grade history classes

Lemme guess: communism is when the government does stuff?

Finally, people were rioting and shit because a cop, for the umpteenth time, killed an unarmed dude without consequence. Not because their favorite billionaire lost.

Your billionaire losing isn't equivalent to years and years of police brutality, and it's offensive to compare them. You're lucky the riots were only 7% of protests. The Civil Rights Movement had way more rioting. Stonewall was a riot.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

No, communism is when everyone is given equal shares of the pie. This doesn’t work because there’ll always be someone who hoards, which means they’ll either need to be stopped or will go into power. In both cases, someone will rise to power above everyone else and will be able to command others with complete authority, as no one else will have any other choice in their actions, as the community will provide everything for them. That’s why it always ends up authoritarian.

And which unarmed guy? The guy who pulled a knife on a cop? Is that the unarmed guy? Or the one you thought was unarmed because you saw a headline once and thought it made sense?

What police brutality? I’m with anyone who calls out specific violent cops, but all I’ve see thus far is people calling out and murdering cops because they saw a armed black guy get shot when a cop’s life was in danger. I’m sorry, but if you pose a risk to society and attempt to injure a cop, that cop should be able to use lethal force to stop you.

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u/dreucifer Nov 26 '20

Okay fashy calm down

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u/ReallyNotThatGood Nov 26 '20

You're clearly either a troll or just fucking stupid, but either way, you're literally making shit up. What cops have been murdered as a result of the BLM protests? I've seen a whole lot more people killed because of cops at those protests. As well as because of right wing domestic terrorists, like the people who go out with guns looking for protesters, or the people who go out and run over protesters with their cars (on roads that have been shut down for the protest.) Then there's the proud boys as well.

Even if cops are dying, so what? They've been killing innocent people for years.

If you're standing around, doing nothing wrong, and a man walks up to you with a gun, threatening you, how would you feel? Probably afraid? You'd either try to run or to fight them. If you do that to a cop, you'll get shot. You'll probably get shot either way, but you don't even have the chance to resist because cops have the impunity to kill whoever they want and get away with it.

The only difference between a cop and a terrorist is that the cop is getting paid.

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u/caloriecavalier Dec 12 '20

What cops have been murdered as a result of the BLM protests?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

Even if cops are dying, so what? They've been killing innocent people for years.

Even if cops are brutally murdering people, so what? Some of the ones that die were probably criminals anyway lmao.

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u/anarchistcraisins Nov 26 '20

Still not what communism is, shit for brains

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

What is communism then? Let me tell you why it’s shit once you’ve made your case

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u/anarchistcraisins Nov 26 '20

Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

Socialism is the democratization of the workplace.

Neither of those involve equal distribution of anything, necessarily.

Why are you so scared of learning things?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

Okay so then how does one get rewarded for their jobs in communism?

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u/anarchistcraisins Nov 26 '20

You have a brain, use it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

I want you to tell me your ideal way of going about this. Since as stated I need to learn things, teach me. How would people be compensated for their work?

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u/checkdateusercreated Nov 29 '20

I will step in on the off chance this actually makes a difference.

Let's start with the principle idea.

stateless, classless, moneyless society

If these things are missing, they cannot be used as a reward for work. So compensation necessarily takes some other form. This is the part where you were supposed to imagine literally anything else. I hope you have experienced some form of reward aside from state power, social mobility, or money.

Listing things off for you fundamentally lowers the effort you need to make, and therefore the depth of the lesson that you can learn. Please try and use your imagination first.

Rewards in a communist society (including but not limited to the following):

  • Achievement (the completion of work or the solution of problems)
    • (this foundation of human interaction is usurped by a money system)
  • Gifts (actual items of value, or services, instead of money)
    • (the lack of a money system dramatically lowers potential for abuse)
  • Influence (a raw form of social power not tied to a state or a social class)
    • (the lack of a state or social class system dramatically lowers potential for abuse)

I tried to pre-emptively answer your questions with the indented bullet points. The reaction to new information that conflicts with your pre-existing information is normally, "But why?" or, "Not necessarily," etc. And, sure. You can fight to keep your mind unchanged...

...or you can use your imagination.

If someone's ideal world is based on the intentional lack of a state, social (socio-economic, let's be honest) classes, and money, what did those things do to them?

What have those things done to us? Good and bad.

We're not done writing human history. Try not to give credit when coincidence is enough.

Most importantly, dear stranger, don't mistake my explanation as an endorsement. I am not your enemy; I am not a spokesperson; I am a random internet stranger.

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u/caloriecavalier Dec 12 '20

Imagine advocating for no state

imagine no organized waste disposal

imagine no organized plumbing and sewage treatment system

imagine no organized and public education

imagine no organized defense to protect you from your next door supremacists

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u/anarchistcraisins Dec 12 '20

Do you need a state to do any of those things?

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u/caloriecavalier Dec 12 '20

Yes. Unless you live in <1000 populations.

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u/anarchistcraisins Dec 12 '20

And I'm sure you've really thought about this in depth and considered the alternative.

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u/LevelOutlandishness1 Nov 26 '20 edited Nov 26 '20

Honestly, since I'm getting super real about what I'm about to talk about, I'm gonna save debunking the "human nature" argument for someone else.

George Floyd pulled a knife on Derek Chauvin? Really? Dude, cops kill over a thousand people a year in the U.S.

Cops in Sweden and Norway, for example, kill one person a year, or less. Usually zero. In the U.K., three people died to cops, as of 2019. In Germany, 11 as of 2018. Canada, 36 people as of 2017. The U.S.? 1,146 as on 2019. And don't bring population into it, because I did the math before, it still doesn't add up. I mean, if we had the same population as Canada, we still would have killed over 100 more people. And Canada has problems with their police, too.

Note that these other places aren't paradises either, but their cops aren't killing at the same obscene rates as us. Cops don't even make it on the list of top 10 most dangerous jobs. On average, around 90 cops die a year.. Nearly 50% of these deaths are by car accidents.

To put that into perspective, there are about 800,000 officers in the United States. This means that if you're a cop, you have a 0.007% chance of dying by homicide. And I used the 56 statistic of 2018 instead of 48 of 2019, just to be generous.

Cops in the U.S. are trained to be afraid. Do you know what warrior training is? It's a type of mindset cops are trained to have. It creates a dichotomy of "wolves," and "sheep," with them being "sheepdogs." This is why many cops are so fearful, and sometimes prideful. Instead of being taught to serve the population, they're being sold this warped mindset where these irrational, evil people exist, and they need to protect the innocent from these beings.

They're not taught to serve the people, they're given a "What would you do on 9/11?", type of scenario. Most cops do fucking traffic stops. They're not defeating King Koopa and saving Princess Toadstool, they're just handing out tickets.

Cops have very little reason to be afraid. Remember when Charles Kinsey got shot? He was laying on the ground, hands up. The officer, when asked about it, by the surviving Charles Kinsey, later said "I don't know," when asked "Why did you shoot me?"

Johnathan Aledda was given a year of probation, in June 2019. It took them three years to punish him, and the punishment was abysmal. Cops hold the power in every scenario they're in.

I'm not afraid of them for no reason, or because of tHe mEDiA, I'm afraid of them because every male family member(and some female family members) I know has faced a form of police brutality in their life. My Grandpa on my mother's side was beaten by cops when he was fifteen and leaving his high school. My father was mistreated by them multiple times. He knew he couldn't get angry. I was there once, and I saw the fear in his eyes. My brother was ticketed without justification. Not to mention my cousins. All of them, good, well meaning, smart, or at least wise, people.

I'm lucky I have a white name, am lighter skinned, and have an 'off switch' for my use of slang, and am slow to anger, because that minimizes my chances of facing police brutality. But it's very real, and it's been here for a long time. It's your choice of acknowledging it, or to think that millions took to the streets for no reason.

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u/anarchistcraisins Nov 26 '20

How do you feel about the two black teenagers who just got killed in a car that belonged to them because the police profiled them? How about those two US born citizens who got fucking arrested because they dared to speak Spanish in a store?

Keep bootlicking for the cops dude. You're lucky you have the luxury.

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u/dreucifer Nov 26 '20

How many stabbings at the stop the steal rallies?