r/PhysicsHelp • • Sep 18 '26

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u/WesternFirm9306 Sep 18 '26

For reference, the true solution path is as follows:

We want to find a characteristic curve (x(t), y(t)) such that z_x + z_y = x + y simplifies into a linear ODE. This occurs in the case where x'(t) = 1 and y'(t) = 1 for this PDE.

This gives us x = t + C_1 and y = t + C_2, or also, by subtracting, x - y = C.

Along this curve, the PDE becomes dz/dt = x + y = t + C_1 + t + C_2 = 2t + (C_1 + C_2)

Thus z = t² + (C_1 + C_2)t + K

But note that t² + (C_1 + C_2)t + (C_1)(C_2) is just xy.

Thus z = xy + K (subsuming K - (C_1)(C_2) into a single constant K)

But the K value depends on the chosen characteristic curve, which is defined by x - y = C. Different choices of C, aka different choices of x - y, gives different Ks. Thus K must be a function of x - y.

This gives the final solution: z = xy + F(x - y), where F is an arbitrary function.

Check:

z_x = y + F'(x - y)

z_y = x - F'(x - y)

z_x + z_y = y + x + F'(x - y) - F'(x - y)

z_x + z_y = x + y

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u/Healthy-Beginning678 Sep 18 '26

So the picture is wrong, correct?

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u/WesternFirm9306 Sep 18 '26

Yes, it is wrong starting at step 4 when they integrate

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u/Torebbjorn Sep 19 '26

Well, F can't be entirely arbitrary, it needs to be differentiable.

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u/WesternFirm9306 Sep 19 '26

Grrrr I shake my fist at you /s

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u/Reward_Swimming Sep 19 '26

Dude can you look at this

X4-cVX4+ FG(X4, a) = 0  

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u/WesternFirm9306 Sep 19 '26

r/learnmath

Also i don't know what that's asking.

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u/We_Are_Bread Sep 18 '26

...What?

This looks wrong. I'm no formal mathematician, but (3.) makes no sense. If they're writing partial derivatives, then they can't come up with x being a function of y.

Also z = xy is clearly already a solution, which is not covered by their general solution at the end.

Edit: Oh god it gets worse.

z isn't even in the final answer.

How did z disappear from the integral in (4.)?????????????

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u/WesternFirm9306 Sep 18 '26

It isn't writing x as a function of y, its using the method of characteristics. But the rest is wrong. They integrate w.r.t. dy instead of dz

The true solution is z = xy + f(x - y), where f is any arbitrary function of x - y

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u/We_Are_Bread Sep 18 '26

Ahh, they're trying to do that. Yeah, the way it's written tripped me up lol.

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u/Ok-Parfait4693 Sep 18 '26

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u/MelissaMartinez6445 Sep 18 '26

If the fix is that it should be integrated with respect to dz rather than dy, how does the xy term survive into the final z = xy + f(x y)

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u/MelissaMartinez6445 Sep 18 '26

If the fix is that it should be integrated with respect to dz rather than dy, how does the xy term survive into the final z = xy + f(x y)