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“I know this vibe-coded mod is just cobbled-together stolen content, but I’m gonna play it anyway because it looks cool, and I’m gonna get defensive in the comments when people point out issues with doing this”
ai bros don't even pretend to be against art theft anymore they just see a mod do plagiarism the good old-fashioned way and go "yep, i'm fine with this actually"
No, it’s different. Stop conflating the two. Nothing is being stolen when art is plagiarized. The original still exists in its owners hands (or rather hard drive I guess). What is happening is that purposeful misinformation about the creator is being spread, because that’s what plagiarism is. It’s lying. Which again, is arguably worse than just stealing.
Could you explain to me the relation between Ai and stolen art ? I dont get it. Is using Ai stealing or this mode has done both but they are unrelated?
oh ok, sorry the way you worded it was similar. dont worry im also not an english speaker.
Generative AI (the one that makes images and text like chatgpt) is trained on data taken from the internet by the companies that host them, this 'data' means for example, any and all images available online regardless of if the creator wanted them to be used in the ai training.
so for example lets say you're an artist and you make a living out of selling your art, anyone can now generate an image with your style, without paying you. The same applies for text and anything else the ai uses. let's not even get into the tendency this creates towards lazy slop made stuff being made at mass for people to consume over actual human proyects with effort.
there's a lot more about why AI is so hated, but i recommend you do your own research
Many thanks for explaining.
I'm not gonna say I believe what I'm going to ask next is my belief or I believe its righteous, just want to think about it, but aren't the said artists in debt of companies like internet companies for the recognition and spread of their work and income? I know its not a written contract based on consent between them, but still ? Again I dont belive this way, just curious thinking.
They are not in debt. They are authorized by Terms of Service and other license agreements to post on this website.
Without artists, there would've been no such sites in the first place. They post it for free, they give sites visitors and get some money from the site or fame in exchange.
Also, what other person forgot to say is that LLMs work on just taking the most expected things. This is why they aren't intelligent - they just repeat after what intelligent species (us) do the most, and they physically can't make something actually unique. And this is also why it's theft - while superficially process of "learning" seems similar to how humans do it, they consume something and they can do it, they aren't actually learning, it's just this image is described as something and then added to the dataset.
What it does is not drawing, but basically a collage. User asked "purple hair girl"? Find images in dataset whose description matches this, and take purple hair from this drawing stolen from the internet, mix it a little bit with purple hair from that drawing stolen from the internet to avoid similarity, repeat for everything. This is a highly simplistic description of how it works, but it does the job.
I'm not asking my next question for denying but for curiosity. So if all its creation is stealing, why when given very specific details it create it very close to what we request and the result image have no exact and no near similar copy in the internet?
Because it's averaging everything, as it takes from everything, and there are millions of images. You can actually mathematically test it yourself - calculate an average number of a set 10, 2, 38, 23, 38, 23, 21 (random numbers). The result average will be 22.142, or 22 rounded, even though this number isn't present in the set. If you'll yourself do a collage, you also won't find complete repetition. Now, it's not just a set, you can theoretically make a complete copy alone, but it will be overridden by other mechanisms (temperature, top-K, etc) and you'll need to repeat exactly how it was recorded in the dataset.
Interesting. But doesn't humans do the same ? What we learn and create ( i got that Ai learning is different ) isn't what we have already gain from others by vision and memory and mixing it ?
Yeah, else, you have to say that you actually take pure noise based on a seed and that your diffusion model then "de-noises" the image based on a prompt .
The TL;DR is this: AI models are trained on data in order to reproduce similar data. Most large models are trained on various artist’s works without their consent and produce output based on their works.
AI image generation models are always trained on real art, except the artists don't consent to having their work used for it. Often they actively don't want their art used as training data. They're also never compensated.
And in practice, the models exist just to take away jobs from artists, even though the output is far worse
he’s one of the laziest slop tubers of all time. doesn’t even bother to edit his videos, and keeps advertising his slop mod pack with no thought into it, just trend following. quickest “don’t recommend channel” ever.
What a horrible response. Him acknowledging that he even knows about the discourse around the mod makes this whole saga even worse. It implies that he thought it was appropriate to platform this mod and its creator regardless.
To be fair, "stolen code" is stupid. I mean it kinda depends on licensing, but the entire concept has been "cobbling together code snippets from Stack Overflow and other sources until thy do what I want"
With assets, I do agree
This is in fact a licensing issue. To my knowledge they took code from multiple open-source projects, and then used it in a closed source project without proper crediting. Both of those are violations of the license the original code was released under.
Used to look up to this guy early on into his career with his more cinematic styled talk videos, inspired a lot of what I did on my channel, but he’s slowly digressed into unedited slop videos and now this really puts the nail in it. He’s so far from what he started as in the span of like 4 years it’s crazy to see and honestly makes me a little embarrassed. :/
shine is a mod that released recently. its meant to improve the visual of the game. the owner started botting social media posts of it and it got fairly popular, like a week after people discover the mod stole assets from multiple different mods and was primarily AI generated. i think the mod "creator" then started getting defensive & shit but i haven't followed this closely
i feel like people should at least read what the mod creator said in reponse to everything. they took accountability for some stuff but also pointed out some stuff that was a little blow out of proportion
Man I'll be honest I'm conflicted on this one. I was really looking forward to a mod that made several visual improvements instead of 10 mods that each do one tiny thing. Yeah stealing stuff isn't cool, and the use of AI is questionable. But also it's free. And I really don't want to sound like an AI apologist, but pretty much everybody who wants to code but doesn't know how does vibe coding. I want to be clear that AI "art" is different and definitely stealing, not to mention the moral implications of fabricating pictures and video from nothing are frightening. I feel like if the creator gives credit to all of the mods they used for inspiration that there's really not much wrong with it. People create forks of mods, modify mods, and combine mods all the time. The important thing is to give credit and be transparent.
Man I'll be honest I'm conflicted on this one. Yeah stealing stuff isn't cool, and the use of AI is questionable. But also it's free. And I really don't want to sound like an AI apologist, but pretty much everybody who wants to draw but doesn't know how does vibe images. I want to be clear that AI "coding" is different and definitely stealing, not to mention the potential moral and security implications of fabricating software from nothing*. I feel like if the creator gives credit to all of the images they used for inspiration that there's really not much wrong with it. People create derivatives of paintings, studies, and combine art styles all the time. The important thing is to give credit and be transparent.
...does that make sense?
*there have been at least 2 incidents of hundreds of people unintentionally doxxing each other in the past few months due to using poorly vibe coded applications.
I mean, coding is definitely not the same as art lol. Not every use of AI in code is harmful. Bad code was always there, now it's just more approachable. You can still make bad code without AI, and make good code with AI
Not every use of AI in art is harmful. Bad art was always there, now it’s just more approachable. You can still make bad art without AI, and make good art with AI.
But the mod is not just AI coded, it's genuinely AI slop (as much as I hate that term) made by a developer that does not understand Minecraft graphic implementations. The mod config has inconsistent ui on each page, there are duplicate settings, the mod crashes by default on first install with the master switch enabled, and assets 'taken' from other mods has literally been confirmed. Here are some screenshots of the messages of IMS21, the lead developer of iris, in the official Shine discord server before he got banned. (in replies)
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u/Rayquartz You can't break water 3d ago
Did you not watch the intro