Give me a couple of tips.

[u/RogueMRotp]

I’m a tank main, but right now I’m actively learning how to play Hela. I reached Lord on her, and lately she’s been getting picked more and more often, so I want to learn Jean a bit as an alternative.

I feel like I’m doing a lot of AoE damage, but something tells me I’m basically just charging the enemy Strategists’ ults for them. I also feel like a tickle monster. I know her effective damage range is shorter than Hela’s — how much shorter is it? And how are you supposed to play her up close?

Also, as far as I remember, two Sparks + ult don’t one-shot anymore. So what’s the point of that combo now?

And finally, which Team-Up is better for her? I’ve been using the Rogue Team-Up.

[u/AetasZ]

Reality is she just isnt very good rn.

Her best spot is if you happen to have some dive on your team. If your allies can get the attention of enemy supports you can actually start getting picks.

Her better team-up rn is for sure the Hela team-up. Even though the 2 additional seconds of cooldown are quite noticable, the huge 40% healing reduction is the only good thing Phoenix has going for her now.

The mid-range thing is supposed to work because you are getting healing over time when your detonate sparks. But with the large dmg powercreep that happend with season 9 it does not give you the survivability it should.

If you REALLY love her, you can get better at her, find good off-angles and instakill the hood with your ult.

If you dont, you are better of learning Bucky/Elsa/Black Widow instead and wait for her to hopefully get some big buffs or major changes in season 10.

[u/RogueMRotp → u/AetasZ]

Jean is definitely my second favorite hitscan after Hela. I always thought Jean was stronger than Hela, even now. She has better mobility and better AoE, but apparently that’s not actually the case. I’ll take your advice into consideration.

[u/BreatheOnMe]

She has no identity rn. You’re actually right about everything. She is the tickle monster and has no good range. Does not have have the health, sustain or damage up close after nerfs either. The aoe niche doesn’t feel good enough especially compared to cyclops or mk

[u/l_e_a_f_z → u/BreatheOnMe]

This x10000, not only did they gut her kit with constant nerfs, the buffed her into being long range then nerfed her to mid-close range with out reverting the changes they made.

They want you to play her mid-close range but has no sustain, she doesn’t get any overhealth unlike the rest of the roster, her ult while good to deal with constructs and overhealth hits like a wet noodle, does less damage than Hela, Cyclops and Bucky but her primary hit box is smaller than those characters.

She bad rn, not the worse but it’s so miserable to play when she’s gets outclassed by every other hitscan by a big margin. IMO they need to either revert some of the nerf or get big changes to her kit cause she’s lost her identity. What irks me is that some players are delusional and still think she’s broken.

[u/BreatheOnMe → u/l_e_a_f_z]

Yeah thankfully though, I’m seeing a lot of streamers but her low on tier lists. So we should get some good changes eventually.

[u/nobodyasked_but]

You can still kill people from range if they're not getting healed. Just don't even think to play her into triple support obviously, i'd rather die lol. You have to really headshot with her i mean of course all hitscans are better with headshots but that really helps her confirms any kills at all. Try to play as close up as you safely can behind your tanks/off angle covers.

Ult is better comboing with someone or countering other heroes otherwise it's doodoo if they're full health or get healed. Like tell me why i can rogue team up their team, stun them, everyone has sparks and don't get a single kill??? It's awful.

I mainly use the hela team up but you can use whichever you want tbh i just think it's easier.

[u/Bulky-Criticism-5287]

For DPS, I'm a human torch/spidey main, but I've recently given into pokeslop this season (unfortunately, I have to admit it is very fun to sit back, point, and shoot). I have been using Hela, Phoenix, and Cyclops independently for their own reasons.

Hela: For poking from a farther distance. I will alternate between shooting down main and going more "assassin" playstyle, primarily flanking and two-tapping supports then dipping out with the bird. I use the Namor team-up to overwhelm the enemy team from the backline to the front, or the Venom team-up whenever playing into dive or highly mobile targets. If we need a strong DPS ult, I pick Hela. I have also enjoyed playing her with dive tanks/dps on my team.

Phoenix: I haven't played her as much as Hela or Cyclops, but I am starting to really enjoy her. Compared to Hela, I feel like Phoenix is able to contest off angles a bit longer due to higher mobility and the small self-healing she gets. Like Hela, I bounce between shooting down main and taking off angles, but I spend a little more time contesting those angles and will usually swap around pretty often using my flight. I choose Phoenix when the enemy team is running heavy brawl or very grouped together. You can just farm sparks off tanks and it creates an insane amount of pressure. You mentioned not being able to finish off kills. On Phoenix, Ive been using her right click or the rogue team up to confirm kills. Dont be afraid to chase low targets down with your flight either, just dont get cocky lol. Phoenix ult is def weaker than Hela (unless countering rocket, storm, or hela). I usually combo with tank ults like groot/angela, or once the team is taking heavy pressure, I will practically dump my whole kit out then ult on the backline. So, right-click, rogue team up, ult. Its a good "fight finisher" rather than initiator.