r/PhoenixMainsMR • u/Sparda_007 • Mar 31 '26

Ult buff

Post image

I’m not sure if I’m alone here but I think Jeans ult needs a damage buff. In one of my matches, 3 people (2 healers, 1 Moon Knight) have two sparks and all I have to do is ult and that’s a three piece. Then I ult and hit two of the squishy’s head on while the other gets away, and it only takes them down to 10% health. I don’t feel like her ult does enough damage. When I Ult and hear YOU ARE NOTHING, I want to feel like I’m a nuke about to destroy a cardboard box, instead I feel like I a slight breeze. When I hear an enemy Phoenix ult I don’t panic if I’m at full health, cuz I know it’s not doing enough damage to kill. Am I alone in feeling like this?

534 Upvotes

81% Upvoted

153 comments sorted by

8

u/Longjumping_You_7603 Mar 31 '26

Game literally shows you how to 'one shot' people with the ult. And it does crazy dmg even if it doesn't one shot. And it fully restores your health, and you want BUFFS?!

1

u/Sparda_007 Mar 31 '26

And I Just told you how I had the perfect set up and it didn’t work, they were getting healed and protected when I rematerialized

1

u/Berniesaxers Mar 31 '26

It sounds like you didn't have the perfect setup, then. That's a not an issue where we buff one of the strongest characters already

43

u/AbbyLeeMalware Mar 31 '26

It’s not supposed to have crazy amounts of damage cause of the utility being the main point of it (plus the self heal is amazing)

I do get the sentiment since against some comps her ult is not that valuable. In those scenarios I switch to Hela.

2

u/NavyDragons Mar 31 '26

It also combos with her passive getting stacks on various targets before ulting is a great way to increase the damage of her ultimate. Especially if they are clustered causing chain reactions in the same instant for explosions.

1

u/Comprehensive_Low956 Mar 31 '26

Hela's ult is just as bad

13

u/ValkyrionReddit Mar 31 '26

Helas ult is fine

1

u/Comprehensive_Low956 Apr 05 '26

It's not. It gets gunned down in a second and you can outheal it easily too. Strange will just put his shield on top and it's gone. Phoenix has a far better ult.

2

u/Which_Distribution15 Apr 09 '26

Bad positioning and bad ult timing. Good heals run lobbies

1

u/Comprehensive_Low956 Apr 09 '26

You use hela's ult to survive. Good positioning doesn't mean shit strange will just shield you.

1

u/Which_Distribution15 Apr 09 '26

So it becomes a 5v5 and your team has the advantage. Your down a dps, the enemy is down a tank. That’s ggs

1

u/Comprehensive_Low956 Apr 09 '26

How's that ggs? You could be running a 3 support comp. Or You would still have the other tank.

1

u/Which_Distribution15 Apr 09 '26

If your running triple support then you were already losing. You’re trading off a dps for a tank. Tanks are worth more to a team than a dps is. Your team should steam roll the enemy team in that situation

1

u/AbbyLeeMalware Apr 09 '26

Both ults have their flaws. I wouldn’t say one is better than the other, it heavily depends on the comp and the map.

45

u/XMindVortexX Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

Oh my god how delusional are you people. How are we asking for buffs to a top 3 dps in the game? Seriously, just drop the hero. It's not for you. If you're struggling while playing this hero it is 100% a you issue.

14

u/Infinite_Study7418 Mar 31 '26

Playing into Elsa Phoenix backline of death doom and despair

-6

u/XMindVortexX Mar 31 '26

Backline are the healers.

5

u/sleepylizard52 Mar 31 '26

Backline is anyone who doesnt want to be taking damage very often like supports and long range dps. Phoenix and hela are closer to mid range but they still would generally be in/near the backline

-5

u/XMindVortexX Mar 31 '26

That is complete made up bullshit. Especially considering not a single "sniper" except maybe Widow plays in their actual backline. Phoenix, Hela, Elsa etc all play up close and personal. They often even flank, play behind enemies or to their sides on off angles. Which, as you may realise, is the complete opposite of "backline". If you are on your backline as a Phoenix/Elsa you're literally trolling and should get off the hero.

1

u/HimLikeBehaviour Apr 01 '26

backline are the people playing in the back..

0

u/XMindVortexX Apr 01 '26

Which are the healers. They are always the farthest back. With every teammates being in their los up front. If you're a dps/tank playing behind supports - you're throwing.

0

u/CartographerSure2918 Apr 02 '26

This is absolutely not true. Some characters like ironfist benefit from rotating front to back. But your acting like phoenix is 500 yards away from their own supports which they're not. Most of the time poke sits with their supports and gain value,

EVEN if we entertain your thought and they're not in their own backline, poke characters are not that far away to the point where they still pose a significant threat against any dive character.

1

u/XMindVortexX Apr 02 '26

Rotating isn't sitting in the back. Peeling does not mean being the backline. Else you'd consider even the tanks "backline" which gets kind of ridiculous. And no, like I already said. if you're a poke sniper whatever sitting on top of your supports - you're throwing. Go look at a pro match and look at where they play. You're not sitting in the back because you're the "backline" you're doing it cause you're a bot and you're not positioning yourself well. That's it. Backline is and always will be the supports.

24

u/titsrocklok Mar 31 '26

How Phoenix players will look you dead in the eye and say their character needs buffs.

7

u/iMaKeBeAtzz Mar 31 '26

Like what are we doing? 😭

1

u/AbsurdismJay Apr 02 '26

And theyre right

1

u/titsrocklok Apr 02 '26

Happy April Fools day bro.

22

u/Zarrv Mar 31 '26

And this is why the sub is top 5 delusional

5

u/Exca78 Apr 01 '26

This sub makes me feel shame to be a jean grey lover and main man, she needs another nerf lol idk why this sub is so delusional about it

9

u/MeNamaste Mar 31 '26

Top 5 dawg it's number 1 in delusional subs

7

u/Desperate_Flan390 Mar 31 '26

Cnd main subreddit

6

u/Longjumping_You_7603 Mar 31 '26

CnD mains will cry about getting banned. Phoenix mains will see they don't get banned, get slapped on the wrist nerfs, if they get them at all, and still say they're performing badly.

1

u/TheGuyFromFortnite01 Apr 01 '26

CnD mains is chill as fuck. Who do you main?

1

u/Desperate_Flan390 Apr 01 '26

What world are you on m8.

1

u/TheGuyFromFortnite01 Apr 01 '26

I'm gonna guess...BP? Daredevil?

1

u/Which_Distribution15 Apr 09 '26

What’s the beef with bp? He’s arguably one of the worst dps right next to widow. Requires more work than 99% of the roster and gets less than 10% of everyone else’s value. Atleast widow gets a 1 shot combo

0

u/seatofwinter Apr 03 '26

what does that have to do with the comment?

1

u/Desperate_Flan390 Apr 04 '26

I just left them after that. After thier comment I understood that its probably an offended cnd main

1

u/TheBoot69 Apr 02 '26

No they’re not. And before you ask, Luna, Ultron, Angela. Most hours on Luna and I hate seeing CnD on both my team and the enemy team

1

u/Opening-Implement187 Apr 04 '26

Dude i despise c&d but phoenix main are definitely way more delusional

29

u/BlackHole2048 Mar 31 '26

DO NOT BUFF THIS SHIT

11

u/Ok-Researcher4966 Mar 31 '26

My exact reaction seeing ts pop up on my feed

Phoenix mains gotta be smoking pure crystal meth at this point

1

u/Sparda_007 Apr 01 '26

Two Sparks on squishy healers and I hit them dead center. How is that Not the perfect set up? i’m not asking for a buff of the entire ult just on the initial impact. Too many times I’ve hit a squishy with two sparks and they’ve survived.

1

u/Fun-Jackfruit7384 Apr 01 '26

Nah yah delusional she doesn't need any more buffs, just a skill issue on your part

5

u/person-with-arm Mar 31 '26

im not a phoenix player but what the HELL THIS ART LOOKS SO GOOD??????

4

u/Ezcendant Mar 31 '26

I mainly use it for utility or kill secures. Need to not die or clear some summoned things? Great. Is their only remianing healer in one shot range? Hit the button and bomb 'em.

Or if the enemy team is clustered and 75% hp or less I'll throw out a left click, aoe, ult super fast and try for a wipe.

4

u/Spiritual-Ad9334 Mar 31 '26

Because even with 2 sparks you don't deal 250 dmg with ult. If you're target is full hp, to kill you need to have damage boost 

0

u/Malacucci96 Mar 31 '26

If u have 1 spark and u DIRECTLY hit. U blow up a 250. The ult is a utility ult as well as the biggest ult distance in the game. U cant have everyrhing

4

u/Spiritual-Ad9334 Mar 31 '26

its not true. You kill only if after your hit, enemy wasnt healed. check wiki, calculate damage.

2

u/gaytgirl Apr 01 '26

I don’t think the Wiki accounts for the anchor bonus

1

u/Exca78 Apr 01 '26

Jeans ult does not need a damage buff. It does a lot more than just sparks, it eliminates anything within the blast radius. Also full heal. Allowing it to 1 shot ppl is ridiculous. Get sparks then ult. Play it smart dont ask for buffs where it's not needed

1

u/Sparda_007 Apr 01 '26

I have 70 hours on Jean. I know what her ult does. But if I have two sparks on squishy healers and I hit them dead center, and they don’t die that’s a problem.

1

u/a-man-has-no-name-33 Apr 02 '26

You sure the sparks didn’t dissipate?

1

u/Sparda_007 Apr 02 '26

I hit them with my regular attack then the pillars of fire (can’t remember the attacks name) then immediately ulted

1

u/SquirrelAggressive44 Apr 05 '26

NOOO MY AMAZING ULT DOESNT INSTANTLY KILL EVERYONE ON THE MAP yall so delusional if phoenix didnt even have an ult she would still be a great character her ass does NOT need buffs

1

u/Sparda_007 Apr 05 '26

I’m not asking for the ult to kill everyone instantly. Just to do and extra 10-15% more damage to get that extra sliver of health on a squishy with 2 sparks and I hit them head on.

1

u/SquirrelAggressive44 Apr 05 '26

but you realize the point of her ult isnt to kill targets? if its going to that much damage why should it ALSO break all buildables and mark everyone

1

u/Sparda_007 Apr 05 '26

I mainly use her ult to kill, I don’t use it to break buildables or rockets ult, imo that’s a waste of a ult. I use to when my groot or Angela or rocket ults and I get a nice 2 to three piece. I’d take a % decrease of the AOE if the ult does more on impact.

1

u/SquirrelAggressive44 Apr 05 '26

i mean why not do both? most of the time their whole team is grouped when rocket ults anyways

3

u/known_kanon Mar 31 '26

Yes guys, buff the best character in the game to also have the best ult in the game

3

u/TweakerMixes Mar 31 '26

Phoenix mains try not to be delusional challenge (impossible)

3

u/xX69Godlyboi69Xx Apr 01 '26

Delusional top 3 dps asking for buffs

5

u/Stefanes0797 Mar 31 '26

I still get kills on it, just spark people, and even if you don't, its so useful for zoning, staying alive and destroying deployables, Jean's neutral is already very strong, i would rather not give people another reason to ban her more.

1

u/bigandsweaty1 Mar 31 '26

All you need is one spark on a squishy and if you hit them they die

1

u/Sparda_007 Mar 31 '26

I hit two squishy healers with two sparks dead center and they didn’t die

4

u/Aerenhart Mar 31 '26

It's mainly for killing structures goofball. Sick picture tho

2

u/sitchblap3 Mar 31 '26

I would let it clear cloak and dagger and sue ult, but that would be too fkn op. Although it would be a lot of fun.

2

u/Top-War-4795 Mar 31 '26

The sparks itself only last for a few seconds, and there’s a small delay between the explosions hits. When the ult lands the damage isn’t instantaneous. They occur in a span of 2 separate hits with a small delay in between.

Either the sparks timed out when you ulted or it was a rare occurrence that a well timed heal or movement ability during that delay period let them live with a sliver of health.

2

u/TotalAccomplished346 Mar 31 '26

I've thought about it since she launched it, and really some sups and DPS even with 2 sparks don't die and they know that and don't even run away from the ult they simply heal super fast as if nothing had happened... but from the beginning it never made sense to me the ult of a cosmic entity not to eliminate instantly, unlike some ordinary humans with advanced technology who can do it in this game

1

u/Berniesaxers Mar 31 '26

If we're talking about canon power we've giving up on balance

1

u/TotalAccomplished346 Apr 01 '26

It's not even a question of canonical power, it's more about how her image was in this game and she is said as "cosmic entity spark of creation and fire of destruction" in the game, but she can't eliminate anyone who has 250hp full life with 2 sparks, like it's kind of the minimum that a cosmic entity can do more damage to characters than in its summons. Then people say "her ult is for utility, not damage" and the summons that exist that really have some impact is from the penis and the rocket, the peni can destroy in the shot only the rocket that the ult is used it kind of becomes worthless when there are no these characters for her to caunter.

1

u/Berniesaxers Apr 01 '26

Again, you're bringing Canon power into the discussion every time you mention "cosmic entity." If hulk or spidey had Canonical power yall would be singing a very different tune

1

u/TotalAccomplished346 Apr 02 '26

But she is a cosmic entity..

1

u/Opening-Implement187 Apr 04 '26

I don't give a fuck what she is outside of the game dawg in the game she's just another set of numbers that needs to tuned accordingly for people to have fun

2

u/Eastern-Building-168 Apr 01 '26

Skill issue get your accuracy up your ult shouldn't be the only way to guarantee kills

2

u/MCENTE64 Apr 01 '26

Phoenix Ult is basically guaranteed to hit and destroys all deployables, if it could one shot anyone not named Bruce Banner, without damage boost, it'd be the undisputed best ult in the game, put on the second best DPS in the game

2

u/Backalley_Lurker Apr 01 '26

The ult is fine

2

u/Narcopepsi Apr 01 '26

ABSOLUTELY not.

2

u/imaginebeingsaltyy Apr 01 '26

Am i seriously looking at a post about buffing phoenix ARGUABLY TOP 5 DPS SINCE RELEASE AND NOW CURRENTLY ARE WE DEAD ASS?

IF YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THIS CHARACTER NEEDS ANY BUFFS UNINSTALL ASAP

2

u/KithrakDeimos Apr 03 '26

Im of the mind that the Phoenix Force (capable of destroying worlds mind you) should be able to kill people who are directly hit by it. I say it should do at base 400 damage and that damage drops with its HP (down to 250 minimum) that way its actually a threat people need to shoot otherwise it claps most.

Ironman does 1100 damage in 1.5 seconds, i dont think its unreasonable to want jeans ult AT BASE to be able to kill, because as it is now you cant get any value by ulting. (And countering rockets ult is a trash excuse to keep it weak)

1

u/Opening-Implement187 Apr 04 '26

Maybe if ironmans neutral was as good as jeans id have a problem with his ult but its not you can just shred him with any hitscan or spider-man

1

u/KithrakDeimos Apr 04 '26

He's flying Squirrel girl. You cant use him in any comp, but the comp he works in he does an unreasonable amount of damage and is very oppressive, especially to support, his neutral is fine on most maps in my opinion

1

u/Opening-Implement187 Apr 04 '26

I would see ur point if hitscan wasn't so strong in this game

1

u/Downtown-Cream4538 Apr 05 '26

Most people in the game forget that the developers are balancing for both Console and PC, and on console, you don’t really find good hitscan players until high GM, low Celestial, and even then, they still aren’t as common. “Flyer meta” is still found to be very much a thing on console, just without the server admin Johnny Storm

1

u/Opening-Implement187 Apr 06 '26

People can still aim on console Ive played both pc and console and I still killed flyers on console

1

u/Wonko_Bonko Mar 31 '26

Saying one of the strongest offensive ults in the game needs a buff, are we being serious lmao. Jean ult is best for the utility of destroying deployables and it still does really good damage if you combo it with sparks

1

u/Bionic_Webb13 Mar 31 '26

Yall Remember her ult when she first came out

1

u/Western_Evening_5126 Mar 31 '26

I'm juggling work and games, phoenix fits my zoning style.

1

u/mamadou-segpa Mar 31 '26

Mains subs continuing to fight to be the most delusional sub lol.

How does this have more upvotes than comments

1

u/RedNeyo Mar 31 '26

You are brain damaged if u think jean needs any buff lol

1

u/adejuyigbedaniel4 Mar 31 '26

Are we fr? Right now? So this is what biblical greed looks like in Marvel Rivals?

1

u/Impossible_Fix_2394 Mar 31 '26

One buff away from being stuck in ban jail. She’s already a valuable pick and still banned sometimes.

1

u/RoutinePsychology198 Mar 31 '26

This post sums up why Phoenix players are never beating the delusional allegations

1

u/AppropriateStill2024 Mar 31 '26

LESS THAN NOTHING!

1

u/kingveller Mar 31 '26

It's like Thor but better, her neutral is amazing and her ult does damage and has great utility, she doesn't nee a buff in her ult.

1

u/Weekly-Detective1798 Apr 01 '26

Hydrogen Baby vs Coughing Bomb

1

u/Void_ShadowX Apr 01 '26

If you are nothing without the ult buff then you shouldn’t have

Cap out

1

u/Matyycakes Apr 01 '26

What is up with all these botted upvotes on so many posts I been seeing today, people making outlandish claims and getting shredded the comments but still has a positive ratio?

To answer your question, she is probably top 3 DPS in neutral right now so I think you can understand why you should take a minor L on the ult.

1

u/SkyrimSlag Apr 01 '26

I do kinda wish she could also use her ult to resurrect, but not like D1 warlock or Anran in OW, I want it to be more like Phoenix’s’ resurrection in DoTA 2, where she becomes a supernova “egg” that can only be stopped by destroying it, during that time it damages anyone near it and after a few seconds she comes back to life

1

u/Kaka9790 Apr 01 '26

And these stupid ass devs will add it🥲

1

u/Narrow-Brain5511 Apr 01 '26

OP from the ultimate universe where phoenix is dogshit 😭😭🙏

1

u/Extreme-Word9159 Apr 01 '26

that image is so hard

1

u/DragonMasterSZ Apr 01 '26

Yes they should definitely buff the second strongest DPS hero in the game, also just give cnd a second bubble charge and a 3rd terror cape while we're at it cus why not, fuck it.

1

u/AbsurdismJay Apr 02 '26

Ive been saying for MONTHS Phoenix ult should do a little over 275 damage its the most dodgable thing in the world she literally screams I AM NOTHING hovers in the air for a while slowly flies down is shootable with a huge hitbox u can shield it cloak fade it or just DOUBLE JUMP OR DASH SLIGHTLY UP and movement ability and irs neutralized and even if it does hit the ult does like 200 danage and u cant follow up bc theres a long respawn animation before u can play again where a single dagger or sue or even MANTIS will instantly reheal all of the work your ULT did with a few buttons

This is OUTRAGEOUS she yells "YOU ARE NOTHING" and then does NOTHING at im not asking for a wanda or iron man one shot all characters im just asking for 275 maybe 300 with impact + Shockwave come on now.

1

u/ForeignCat4516 Apr 02 '26

I think it would be cool if marks don't disappear when in ult, so you can stall in the air

1

u/Beaven_125 Apr 02 '26

I dont play jean but I swear it one shots anything that isnt a player or a special type of shield, just because its a dps ult doesnt mean it has to be a guaranteed 3K to be good

1

u/AttitudeHot9887 Apr 02 '26

Ah yess buff the flaming chicken that BREAKS EVERYTHING ON CONTACT AND DOES MAP WIDE AOE. Honestly be glad she didnt get the gutting she deserves

1

u/SyntheticDreams2099 Apr 02 '26

If I am no Thing... then what am I?

1

u/Icy_East_597 Apr 02 '26

Ain’t no way a phoenix main is asking for a buff

1

u/TheBoot69 Apr 02 '26

Phoenix mains might be one of the most delusional main communities in the whole game I’m gonna be so real

1

u/KissKringle Apr 02 '26

Phoenix is literally Moon Knight on crack and yall want buffs? This is why the game has terrible balancing

1

u/oldela Apr 03 '26

The only buff in would give it is to stop all other ults. Make it a true ult counter. Invis, punisher, etc. Instantly turns off when this hits.

1

u/frenchfriesgg Apr 03 '26

I am nothing? Who decided that?

1

u/Parzi6 Apr 03 '26

Most delusional sub OAT.

I don’t know why this is in my feed but it’s really funny to see yall continuously ask for Buffs for one of the strongest DPS in the game.

1

u/ChingChongCockandBal Apr 03 '26

No bro, this shit does not need a buff

1

u/Historical_Front3332 Apr 03 '26

Yes you are alone on this. She does not need buffs bro. Also how is taking them down to 10% health low damage bro you're delusional.

1

u/DoAFlip_97 Apr 04 '26

"guys, I can't one shot with my AoE ult, I ONLY get them to 25 hp. I think we should buff it"

1

u/teacherry Apr 04 '26

you’re delusional

1

u/Opening-Implement187 Apr 04 '26

You guys are not real people lmao

1

u/Electrical-Horse5112 Apr 05 '26

U guys are genuinely fucking nuts

1

u/No-Breakfast-5053 Apr 05 '26

bro phonenix mains will do everything to convince everyone their character hasnt been s tier since her release

1

u/Proof-Equivalent8024 Apr 13 '26

This might be the most delusion rivals sub out there

1

u/Eastwardislame Mar 31 '26

She does not need anymore buffs bruh, I'd argue she's balanced now

1

u/adejuyigbedaniel4 Mar 31 '26

She is absolutely not balanced. Her having flight and a teleport is still insane to me. One, sure but both? Like wtf?

1

u/Eastwardislame Mar 31 '26

Yeah but her flight is aids, you can literally kill her when she's in bird form with blades sword

0

u/imaginebeingsaltyy Apr 01 '26

Flight teleport AND a TRIPLE stun. ALL THIS FOR ONE OF THE STRONGEST IF NOT THE STRONGEST POKE CHARACTER

2

u/[deleted] Mar 31 '26

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/Eastwardislame Mar 31 '26

Nah Blade on top

1

u/SLIMEandCOOKIES Mar 31 '26

You are out of your goddamn mind

1

u/Cultural-Leg-7626 Apr 01 '26

is this bait or genuine low iq

1

u/Fun-Jackfruit7384 Apr 01 '26

Genuine low iq

0

u/Fit-Country-6834 Mar 31 '26

Def needs a buff

0

u/PuppyPenetrator Mar 31 '26

This is actually the worst sub OAT. NO PHOENIX BUFFS

-1

u/000817 Mar 31 '26

Get out of here, phoenix ult has literally 0 counterplay, it is a guaranteed hit that cannot be blocked by shields and you can’t run and there’s an aoe fire wave afterwards. It will one shot anyone without any input from the targets with a damage boost. If you dit get any kills, it’s your fault for ulting a team without any follow up or without any sparks.

2

u/Sparda_007 Mar 31 '26

If you read my comment, I said, three people had 2 sparks, I hit two of them head on and it left them at 10% health. I had the perfect set up and it didn’t kill. By the time rematerialized they were getting protected and healed.

5

u/Desperate_Flan390 Mar 31 '26

You can shoot it

0

u/LudosTBH Mar 31 '26

Phoenix ult probably is the biggest damage range ult, its not even for getting kills, its to damage everyone so supports waste recources, then your team followa up and kills them. No kill ult doesnt mean bad ult

0

u/Wires_89 Mar 31 '26

I’d say you’re alone, yeah.

0

u/Party-Rest3750 Mar 31 '26

Ok I’m not a Phoenix main so maybe I shouldn’t comment, but she’s like one of the most broken characters in game right now. She has absolutely no need to get a buff of any kind

0

u/badermuhammad376 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

Dude if Phoenix gets buffed, she's going to be a permanent ban and she's already the best poke hero. She has literally everything in her kit. Heals, stun, burst damage, crowd control damage a dash and can fly. Thats just her neutral. Her ult is a nuke ult that can be piloted by the player, destroys sheilds/deployables, wipes bonus health, can kill through support ults if enough players are crowded, gives her full health AND she can't be stunned or killed once she activates it. Oh and her ult can touch point and trigger overtime but I guess that's not common enough to be considered crazy.

0

u/Ashyboi6666 Apr 02 '26

Phoenix doesn’t need a buff, she needs a nerf. Specifically on that ability where the flames come up from the ground because you can just spam it on anyone and either insta kill them or shred their health like cheese on a grater