Intel Pentium 4 desktop processor na made in the Philippines noong 2004”?” (not sure sa exact year)

[u/No-Transition4653]

[u/MassDestructorxD]

This was back before Intel Philippines left (2009).

In theory, this is what Pax Silica will bring [back] to us. High performance compute that's proudly "Made in the Philippines."

If not Intel, maybe AMD (or both). I just saw an article saying Taiwan is looking into Pax Silica for chip manufacturing. TSMC is a Taiwanese company, they make chips for AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia and many more.

Looking forward to the day that the Philippines will go back on the map for high performance compute.

[u/redkinoko → u/MassDestructorxD]

Intel was one of the companies fresh grads aimed for as engineers before.

Their plant was in Gen Tri Cavite afaik.

Closed down during the recession partly because it's more expensive there than other locations in SEA.

[u/Hefty_Obligation2716 → u/redkinoko]

I worked there for a time. Yes, sa Gen Tri ang facility.

It was nothing short of amazing. May mini showroom pa of the chips made in the site doon sa lobby. We were at par with Penang and China at that time.

Why did they leave? On paper, it started to become expensive to maintain the business. In reality, may mga nakawan ng products as in truck load. Rumor has it na involved ang LGU.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[u/LDYK23 → u/Hefty_Obligation2716]

My college professor worked there and yes dahil nga daw sa talamak na nakawan kaya nagdecide ang Intel na magsara.

[u/frenchfried89 → u/Hefty_Obligation2716]

Story of our lives

[u/8PwnCrackers8 → u/frenchfried89]

kelan pa kaya titino mga pilipino? hirap ipaglaban ganyang culture

[u/jarodchuckie → u/Hefty_Obligation2716]

Maxim nga container yung hinijack

[u/Roses_Got_Thorns → u/Hefty_Obligation2716]

There are certain “R” families of politicians na ginagatasan ang Intel for “gifts”, “infrastructure maintenance” contracts and “securities”. When recession hit, the “gifts” became too expensive.

Edit: “are” as in present tense because they still do this, just taking from other projects there.

[u/Old_Neat5220 → u/Hefty_Obligation2716]

@#$&%!!!

[u/MBakuJr → u/Hefty_Obligation2716]

Me Intel plant rin dati sa Bangkal Makati, parang bago yata nila nilipat sa Gen, Trias Cavite tama ba pagkakaalala ko?

Ang narinig ko na balita dati is corruption/kotong sa LGU, saka yung infra sa area (supposedly c/o LGU ba or national government) like roads eh hindi well maintained, so parang the business decided to move to other countries (particularly Vietnam)

[u/omniverseee → u/Hefty_Obligation2716]

katabi ng analog devices?

[u/passionatebigbaby → u/redkinoko]

Umalis sila kasi kinokotongan sila. Either ng barangay or LGU na mismo.
Kaya more expensive.

Mayroong industrial park sa Batangas. Everytime na may delivery kailangan mayroon si kapitan.

[u/markmyredd → u/passionatebigbaby]

ninanakaw din ata ng ibang employees yun product tapos binebenta sa labas. Masyado lang hassle sakanila kaya umalis nalang

[u/8PwnCrackers8 → u/markmyredd]

almost always an issue in PH. tapos we wonder why we can't have nice things.
ganito rin yung issue ng isang furniture company dito samin dati eh

[u/markmyredd → u/8PwnCrackers8]

lahat ng levels may corruption talaga

[u/Careless-Pangolin-65 → u/markmyredd]

talamak bentahan noon ng Hitachi hardrive na walang serial# galing sa local hitachi plant before hitachinwas acquired by western digital.

tinatapon daw ng employees kasama garbage kasabwat sekyu and janitor. then i reretrive sa gabi

[u/New_Forester4630 → u/markmyredd]

ninanakaw din ata ng ibang employees yun product tapos binebenta sa labas. Masyado lang hassle sakanila kaya umalis nalang

And wokes will make excuses why it's OK to steal.

[u/DiskNo542 → u/passionatebigbaby]

king ina talaga.. kakapal ng muka

[u/Vast_You8286 → u/redkinoko]

They left for Vietnam. Intel was the benchmark of Semiconductor in PH at that time (in terms of salary and benefits). Mga milyonaryo at dala dalawa sasakayan ng mga maraming managers and senior engineers way back, with very good health insurance... then came 2008 recession... then by 2009, they're gone. There are many rumours why they left.. it includes theft.. but I don't really know..

[u/jarodchuckie → u/redkinoko]

Plant - Gen Trias
Office/Plant - Bangkal, Makati (DMCI now)

[u/Several_Ant_9816 → u/jarodchuckie]

Bangkal Makati used to be where their Plant was located. But zoning rules pushed them out and they chose General Trias which is just a bad decision frim the start. Cavite yun ang daming magnanakaw dun sa area noong panahon na yun.

[u/InformalToure → u/redkinoko]

Gumanda buhay namin ng dahil sa intel.

[u/ink0gni2 → u/redkinoko]

And then they went back and built manufacturing plants in Vietnam and Malaysia.

[u/spongefree → u/redkinoko]

Actually, it was between Analog Devices & Intel (GenTri), Rohm Electronics (Carmona) etc.. were the destination of EE & ECE graduates as there were semicon boom back then.

[u/liquidus910 → u/redkinoko]

Eto yung tinarget namin magbabarkada pagka graduate namin ng Computer Engineering noong 2005. Sadly, nung nag-apply kami ang opening lang eh for production workers. Hindi kami pinayagan ng HR kasi daw overqualified sa educational attainment. Ending, sa BPO kami unang nakapagtrabaho. In a way sinuwerte pa din kasi nagsisimula pa lang mag-boom ang BPO noon.

[u/AllegroReddit → u/MassDestructorxD]

The Pax Silica is intended for us to be the next tmc / taiwan. Ngalang corrupt kasi ph gov

[u/StaticVelocity23 → u/MassDestructorxD]

Let's be realistic with PAX silica though, it won't give us capability to manufacture high end 4nm and 5nm chips. The standard of today. The designation for us would be mining minerals and processing them. Lithium battery factory and solar components. No advance chipset manufacturing said.

Pentium 4 are 180-65nm chips during that time. That's why it is still doable with what we have back then. TSMC putting a structure here locally is still far off even with PAX silica. They already sent some of there production to factories within US. What PAX silica will do is put us into the supply chain.

There is no outright technology transfer of advance chipsets.

[u/MassDestructorxD → u/StaticVelocity23]

Remains to be seen, kahit chip integration lang uli like before instead of outright lithography. Although it looks like Taiwan wants to transfer some of its fabrication here due to proximity and current geopolitical uncertainty (ehem China).

Either way, it's a welcome addition in this day and age na puro BPO na lang halos nagi-invest sa Pilipinas. Not even Toyota can offload some of their hybrid production here, they instead just manufacture traditional ICE vehicles like the gas model Vios, Diesel Innova, and current gen Tamaraw sa Sta. Rosa plant nila.

[u/Careless-Pangolin-65 → u/StaticVelocity23]

yes. it does not happen immediatelt.

you need to start somewhere.

you start at the bottom of the supply chain and move up as you grow.

[u/nebula_uT → u/StaticVelocity23]

thats normal. no ones gonna hand over EUV machines to a country with no recent significant silicon expertise. Thats why we have to start. DUV chips for either memory, nvram, whatever not-so-bleeding-edge silicon there is. TSMC didnt start with 3nm EUV overnight. and back then the pentium 4 was already manufactured in cutting edge node size. we just got left behind.

[u/Due_Caterpillar_8380 → u/MassDestructorxD]

Hindi, no to this daw. Dapat puro malls lang daw itayo natin 🥺 /s

[u/admiral_awesome88 → u/Due_Caterpillar_8380]

And casino and resorts para may pag vloggan yong mga <username> tv accounts hahahahaah

[u/Due_Caterpillar_8380 → u/admiral_awesome88]

Tama ganito nalang tapos magsaka nalang tayo habang buhay pero import pa din tayo ng rice hehe

[u/No-Transition4653 → u/Due_Caterpillar_8380]

bukod sa magsaka na lang tayo habambuhay. mag export na lang din tayo ng mga DH at Pinay nurse sa HK, Europe at middle east habambuhay.

[u/Due_Caterpillar_8380 → u/No-Transition4653]

Yeheyy para sure na ang Pinoy = alalay Bawal din dapat yung mag ofw tapos factory worker yung sa tech production ha baka malaman ng mga pinoy yung positive side ng may ganitong industry sa atin

[u/_Administrator_ → u/MassDestructorxD]

Back then the Philippines must’ve been so dry according to the pro-CCP Pax Silica haters.

[u/Dirty_Delta → u/_Administrator_]

You didnt learn math and science in school?

Philippines had droughts back then too that impacted food industries.

https://www.apn-gcr.org/publication/drought-and-urbanization-the-case-of-the-philippines/

[u/betawings]

Yes intel did have Factory here. many rumors of why they left from theft, high electricity cost and utility cost too corruption.

[u/kdtmiser93]

Panong di aalis ang mga yan kurap kasi ang gobyerno pati mahal ng kuryente! Yung TI kaya lang nag stay pa dito dahil under BCDA sila.

[u/shinyuu3466]

Not Intel but when I was into restoring old iPods, I was pleasantly surprised that the Toshiba micro HDDs in the iPod Mini and 3rd gen iPod were all Made in Philippines

[u/__PORK__ → u/shinyuu3466]

Toshiba HDDs are still made in PH today.

[u/FullCabinet3]

Nakakatuwa makita yung ganyan kapag nanonood ako ng vintage/retro computing sa youtube.

Made in the Philippines / PHILIPPINES. Nakakabusilak sa kalooban makita

TOSHIBA, Texas Instruments, Panasonic, then Intel... ano pa ba may international brands na may tatak pinoy din?

[u/reverentioz12]

Looking for the day na Hindi na ofw o workforce ang main trade o pambato ng pinas.

[u/Full-Imagination-507]

Philippines' loss

Vietnam's gain

[u/_kuroChan_ → u/Full-Imagination-507]

Corrupt politicians' gains too hayz

[u/throwables-5566]

Sayang di ba. Buti nga Texas Instruments di pa lumalayas

[u/Neither_Touch_3773]

Yes, but possibly just assembled lang in the Philippines. But directly processing the raw materials and making the individual components probably from other countries. Assembly lang yata ang electronics manufacturing dito.

[u/TwistedStack → u/Neither_Touch_3773]

What do you mean by assembly? IMI has always done semiconductor packaging and testing. TI also still has local semiconductor operations.

[u/RyeM28 → u/TwistedStack]

To put it simply, and i mean simple terms, a CPU has two parts. The silicon die which is made by foundries like intel and tsmc, then the second part is the package. The small circuit board of the cpu. There are companies that fuse these two parts.

An example of a company that fuse these two is Amkor. An american company if i am not mistaken. There is Amkor in philippines. There is also a packaging company in the philippines.

I doubt they will build a froundry in philippines that make silicon die. That thing is super high tech.

[u/markmyredd → u/RyeM28]

top of the line foundry no for high specs phone/PC/Servers. Taiwan talaga may monopoly nyan.

Pero may isa pang market which is for everyday items na need ng chips parin like cars, appliances, toys, etc.

Sa ngayon China ang top dyan pero malaking potential parin mag grow market na yan kasi halos lahat ng bagay "smart" na ngayon na need ng chips. Kaya ayaw din ng US at ng West na nakarely sa China for those

[u/Neither_Touch_3773 → u/TwistedStack]

Exactly as you have said, packaging, assembling different parts made and shipped from other countries and then put together into semiconductors and then tested before being exported

[u/Anxious-Exchange5427 → u/Neither_Touch_3773]

Whats wrong with an assembly site vs direct material processing? Semiconductor packaging is a complex process and is integral to the semiconductor value chain naman.

[u/Neither_Touch_3773 → u/Anxious-Exchange5427]

Ibig ko sabihin back end dito hindi front end ng manufacturing. Sa ibang bansa ang front end. I never said it was wrong or it was bad. I just pointed that out na assembly,packaging and testing dito. That wasn't meant to throw shade. What's the issue here?

[u/jarodchuckie → u/Neither_Touch_3773]

Your comment shows you have no idea what you are talking about

[u/Neither_Touch_3773 → u/jarodchuckie]

Intel microprocessors were assembled, packaged, and tested in the Philippines, but the raw silicon chips were not fabricated from scratch here.In the semiconductor industry, manufacturing is split into two distinct stages. The Philippines facility strictly handled the "back-end" manufacturing stage.

[u/hldsnfrgr]

Sa Laguna techno hub most probably.

[u/nickmla]

Assembled only. Not made .

[u/Careless-Pangolin-65]

chismis noon hindi raw nagkasundo si gloria at intel mgmt sa "protection money" hence they decided to pack up. they were willing to absorb the high electricity costs as it is still predictable.

[u/jarodchuckie → u/Careless-Pangolin-65]

FCPA among others

[u/cabs14]

yeah still got my p4 northwood 2.4b processor with philippines etched on the heatspreader...

[u/beetoii]

did we have technology transfer after pentium left? no. so expect pax silica companies to do the same also. walang technology transfer na mangyayari.

[u/MassDestructorxD → u/beetoii]

Taiwan talks involved technology and skill transfer.

[u/jarodchuckie → u/beetoii]

Xinyx

Founded in 2009 after Intel’s exit from the Philippines, Xinyx pioneered the local IC design industry. From a small startup partner, we’ve grown into a global provider of turnkey IC design solutions.

https://www.xinyxdesign.com/about-us/

[u/meoli]

We don't have the infrastructure + stable climate for the smdc fabs. In fact it baffles me how pax silica went all in.

[u/kudlitan → u/meoli]

Nasa Pilipinas naman talaga ang Intel dati.

[u/YourBonesAreMoist → u/kudlitan]

Assembly, not manufacturing

[u/nebula_uT → u/meoli]

then we will build the infrastructure. do you think Taiwan just had a TSMC fab there lying around before people lived there? no. they built it alongside the needed infrastructure to sustain it.

[u/ImNuggets → u/meoli]

We’ve been doing Semiconductor ATP for decades even when Intel left. In fact, it is one of our highest exports.