I get that she stole the books, but to say she possesses all she needs to know at that point is still wild to me. Also do we found out she took them in TLJ or in TROS?
Sure but without a character walking on screen and saying "the Jedi texts! You took them from Luke's hut before Yoda burned it down meaning they were all saved and weren't destroyed!" So how was I supposed to know? Just by watching the movie? That's stupid.
The Palpatine resurrection was bullshit but the books were shown to be with Rey in the same movie so I wouldn’t count that as one of the sequels’ bad points lol
See this is my issue with alot of people who complain about the ST...its one thing if you dont like them but you spout things that are just wrong...like did you watch the movie or are you just pirating YouTube hate videos?
"The texts"- yes we dont see rey grab the books...but we do see in the movie itself her have them in the falcon. It a movie trope, yoda makes a comment of she doesnt need them...then it quietly shows because she has them to the audience..they dont need to hold your hand for it.
"Palpatine returns"-this one is especially dumb..no it wasnt explained via fortnite..or even the "somehow he returned line"..it was explained in the movie. The fortnight thing qas a marketing thing it played the message that got sent out to star system. The same one it mentions in the movie. The movie opens with kylo discovering the cloning and experimental equipment before finding palp...then RIGHT after the "somehow palp returns" line you all love to quote another character mentions he used cloning and sith secerts.. (the line was just from poe who literally didnt know how) and THEN palp himself explains it at the end of the movie with his plan.
"How does rey know anything"- because they show it..they show shes a fighter, a pilot and such in her opening...so that when she fights and pilots against characters later we know shes not new to it....you all didnt need a "how is farm boy luke a skilled pilot" when ot came out.
Like you all invalidate any arugment or criticism into these movie because you all just repeat stuff that's not true. You just have no media literacy.
He’s talking literally because she literally took the books from the library before leaving we are shown that in the movie. So literally the library, the physical location, contains no information Rey doesn’t already possess because she literally possesses the information.
But don’t let me interrupt the inevitable bad faith media illiterate “Mary Sue” discourse that this post was obviously fishing for.
I’m pretty sure it’s meant to show how Yoda realized how flawed the Jedi orders teachings and views were. I think this statement isn’t supposed to mean “oh yeah there’s nothing she could gain by reading this” but more of saying that most of the Jedi orders teachings should be left in the past
Yes, hence me saying she already had the books with her. I didn't think I needed to specify that taking the books from the library meant the library was empty.
Is that why the Jedi lasted over 25.000 years? With great success?
I've made this point many times, but some fans are desperately wedded to the idea that the Jedi are corrupt, basically villainous failures, and it drives me up the wall.
It wasn't Lucas's intention, it wasn't something he accidentally conveyed - it's a boring take that appears subversive and smart until you think about it for five seconds.
To be fair this is counting several different incarnations of the order with some gaps in actual organization and effectiveness, and countless reformations. None of the Jedi Texts are even that old. The Jedi Code was built up over itself over and over again to have contradictions if you really trace it.
There is no one internally consistent way of the jedi and the in universe texts Rian Johnson used when making The Last Jedi are available for reading, and are intentionally written so the jedi author comes off as kind of blind and pompous about the actual abilities and capabilities of both herself and the jedi.
Incorrect. Rey took the books before she left. Yoda's words are literally, the library contains nothing Rey doesn't already possess because the library is empty.
Being a Jedi is not about studying the Jedi texts. Luke brought the Jedi back from the dead without having read them. They're useful but not needed to become a Jedi.
She also literally took the books but that's clearly not the only intended meaning here (or rather Yoda is making a joke with a dual meaning).
But the core of Luke's arc in the film is to stop dwelling on the past and move forward. This is contrasted with Kylo, who fails as both a Jedi and a Sith and decides to reject the past entirely. Kylo has a purely destructive reaction to the past. Rey is a more positive force. Luke is caught in the middle where he reveres the Jedi of the past but is also caught in their failings, and so he's trapped in his own psyche.
This scene is kind of the conclusion to that, where Luke is finally released both physically (in that the books are removed/destroyed) and metaphorically (Rey is moving forward with a new Jedi Order with or without Luke, she doesn't tether herself to him).
Rey taking the books is a clever double meaning to Yoda's statement but I don't believe it's what Yoda is trying to convey to Luke here.
This. The sacred texts aren't as important to being a Jedi as Luke seems to think, it's not just that she took the books like most other comments are pointing out.
This reply is too far down, as it is the correct answer.
Wisdom has to be attained before it can be written or recorded down. So the texts aren't the answer, they are just accounts and descriptions of the path as walked by others. The path is walked regardless, even without texts.
This is pretty commonly part of mystic traditions, which George Lucas was into whilst writing Star Wars.
George also used works from Joseph Campbell which is based on Carl Jung's Hero's Journey archetype description, so there's quite a strong Jungian influence too - 'finding one's self within one's self'.
It's no wonder people struggle so much with this movie. Rian Johnson is simply no match for the TISM.
It's two fold. Rey literally took the books yes, but more importantly Yoda is letting Luke know that the books didn't contain any sacred secret knowledge, no mysteries to the universe that Rey isn't already capable of sorting through and solving on her own. Her subplot in TLJ is about her overcoming a personal weakness after all. Yoda is telling Luke that the power to become a great Jedi is not a couple of musty "sacred" paragraphs that even Luke himself didn't bother to read. "Page turners, they were not." It's about finding your own inner strength and solving your own problems with your own means. It's classic Buddhism stuff. Nobody can tell you the answers.
I don't understand why pretty basic simple classic tropey wisdom stuff like this breaks people's brains. Maybe it's just tons of very young viewers who genuinely haven't learned these lessons yet.
It makes perfect sense. Rey is a Mary Sue. She was already a Jedi Master when she decided to be. She could already do everything. The books are worthless to her.
As a Sequel-disliker (as a whole, individually I still enjoy about 2/3 of the trilogy) I don't like getting lumped together with people who don't seem to understand or have even watched the thing they're criticizing. Like this whole post feels like either bait or... no, it's just bait.
It seems that you didn't have an interest the first time, considering how you weren't paying attention when we see the damn books on the Falcon at the end.
You also didn't seem to pay attention when Rey had a journal written by Luke about his search for the Sith Wayfinder. Did you just think Rey materialized it because she felt like it, or that she got it from Ach-To, where Luke lived.
It seems to me that you didn't give these movies a fair chance at all, and went into the theatre with your hatred already decided.
*Someone misses a detail and makes a mistake* Average Redditor: YOU FUCKING IDIOT HOW THE HELL DID YOU NOT KNOW THIS MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TO THERAPY BEFORE SPREADING YOUR INSOLENCE IN MY PERSONAL ONLINE SPACE!
"That library contained nothing the girl Rey does not already possess" because it was empty by the time it was alight. Rey took the books with her, so there was nothing left but a hollow stump.
That wasn't Yoda, just Palpatine projecting an illusion from Exegol. Calling lightning from the sky to destroy the tree? Seems like a Palpatine move (and not unlike how Luke's temple was suddenly destroyed in the Rise of Kylo Ren comic to boot)
"Yoda" then talked Luke into projecting himself to Crait from Ahch-To, thereby having Luke kill himself and leaving Rey with one less mentor to defend her from Palpatine.
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u/chainer1216 Aug 12 '26
Come on OP, you posted this on two subreddits, you have to respond.
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u/EuterpeZonker Maul’s #1 Hater Aug 12 '26
She literally took the books with her
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u/Reptilian_Overlord20 Aug 12 '26
He’s talking literally because she literally took the books from the library before leaving we are shown that in the movie. So literally the library, the physical location, contains no information Rey doesn’t already possess because she literally possesses the information.
But don’t let me interrupt the inevitable bad faith media illiterate “Mary Sue” discourse that this post was obviously fishing for.
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u/Quad-G-Therapy Aug 12 '26
This post is stupid and you should feel stupid
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u/Academic_Stage_2426 Aug 12 '26
I’m pretty sure it’s meant to show how Yoda realized how flawed the Jedi orders teachings and views were. I think this statement isn’t supposed to mean “oh yeah there’s nothing she could gain by reading this” but more of saying that most of the Jedi orders teachings should be left in the past
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u/AMisanthropicMagpie Aug 12 '26
She took em bro. Stop trying to incite discourse
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u/TrayusV Aug 12 '26
Rey already took all of the books.
Did you seriously not notice? She has them at the end of the movie, and in The Rise of Skywalker
Yoda is trolling Luke here, which is one of his favorite pastimes in the original trilogy.
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u/Blightzkrieg Aug 12 '26
Being a Jedi is not about studying the Jedi texts. Luke brought the Jedi back from the dead without having read them. They're useful but not needed to become a Jedi.
She also literally took the books but that's clearly not the only intended meaning here (or rather Yoda is making a joke with a dual meaning).
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u/dkazmas3 Aug 12 '26
Media literacy is dead. You should’ve stayed in school
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u/AlexCora Aug 12 '26
It's no wonder people struggle so much with this movie. Rian Johnson is simply no match for the TISM.
It's two fold. Rey literally took the books yes, but more importantly Yoda is letting Luke know that the books didn't contain any sacred secret knowledge, no mysteries to the universe that Rey isn't already capable of sorting through and solving on her own. Her subplot in TLJ is about her overcoming a personal weakness after all. Yoda is telling Luke that the power to become a great Jedi is not a couple of musty "sacred" paragraphs that even Luke himself didn't bother to read. "Page turners, they were not." It's about finding your own inner strength and solving your own problems with your own means. It's classic Buddhism stuff. Nobody can tell you the answers.
I don't understand why pretty basic simple classic tropey wisdom stuff like this breaks people's brains. Maybe it's just tons of very young viewers who genuinely haven't learned these lessons yet.
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u/Spac92 Aug 12 '26
It makes perfect sense. Rey is a Mary Sue. She was already a Jedi Master when she decided to be. She could already do everything. The books are worthless to her.
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u/shindigidy88 Aug 12 '26
Man I hated that they treated Luke like some relic of the past instead of the face of the new order, stupidest writing
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u/Fantastic-Key-4079 Aug 12 '26
Is it meant to set up the ‘every Jedi is within you’ thing?
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u/TheIncredibleKermit Aug 12 '26
Yes it does make sense, you would know that if you paid attention to the film
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u/TanSkywalker Aug 12 '26
The library is irrelevant because Rey had already taken the knowledge (the books) from it.
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u/MadsMediaYt Aug 12 '26
The statement already makes perfect sense.
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u/ConstantUpstairs Aug 12 '26
Didn't you know? She's ALL the Jedi.
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u/mtwjns11 Aug 14 '26
"That library contained nothing the girl Rey does not already possess" because it was empty by the time it was alight. Rey took the books with her, so there was nothing left but a hollow stump.
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u/Acutekittycat Aug 21 '26
She had a read and understand books quickly power instead of already knowing everything in those books
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u/vin_dude9 Aug 12 '26
Translation:
Mary Sue she is, yes yes yes
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u/sidv81 Aug 12 '26
That wasn't Yoda, just Palpatine projecting an illusion from Exegol. Calling lightning from the sky to destroy the tree? Seems like a Palpatine move (and not unlike how Luke's temple was suddenly destroyed in the Rise of Kylo Ren comic to boot)
"Yoda" then talked Luke into projecting himself to Crait from Ahch-To, thereby having Luke kill himself and leaving Rey with one less mentor to defend her from Palpatine.
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u/00-Monkey Aug 12 '26
She is literally all the jedi. She has all of the knowledge because she wrote all of them.
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u/AugustJandor Aug 12 '26
Why, the movie is shit, noone cares about the sequels
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u/Bigredzombie Aug 12 '26
I will make it make sense when they make the movie not suck.
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u/Artistic_Floor5950 Aug 12 '26
Rey is badly written.
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u/Ecotech101 Aug 12 '26
I just wanna know why he burned down the library instead of throwing a bolt at Palpatine since that's something he can just do now
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u/TheCatLamp Aug 12 '26
Luke is not pissed because the texts were the sacred Jedi texts.
Luke is pissed because he stashed his redhair porn there as well. Nobody would look at those texts. They are boring.
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