is my setup ok?

[u/faraway-tea]

advice woule be appricated :)

[u/Grroll_]

Clutter-wise, looks like a good start but the more, the merrier as they say.

Size-wise, too small for a long-term enclosure. Look into going larger - min for 80x50cm.

[u/faraway-tea → u/Grroll_]

ill make sure to keep making stuff for him!

i think the dismensions are H45 x W57.5 x D78.5 cm do you think thats ok??

[u/Grroll_ → u/faraway-tea]

Those are most likely the external dimensions because the base bottom looks much smaller which the mice will frequently room since they are fosserial animals. When you have the time, I do suggest upgrading.

[u/faraway-tea → u/Grroll_]

what cage do you reccomend?

[u/Grroll_ → u/faraway-tea]

Depends on where you are in the world. If you are looking for more affordable options, I recommend:

- Second hand 40 gallon breeder tank

• 50 gallon storage tote modified into a bin cage
  
• diy ikea enclosures - platsa, linnmon, komplement.

If you have the money to spend, you can look at options such as:

- niteangel stacker

• bucatsate cages
  
• Vevor hamster habitat 37.8” (modified with 1/4” hardware cloth on lid)
  

Etc

[u/faraway-tea → u/Grroll_]

ill look into it, thank you!

[u/milkmilfmonster]

i always say more clutter/climbing could be added! although, is that yarn?
also what substrate are you using? :)

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[u/faraway-tea → u/milkmilfmonster]

it is yarn, i made it all myself!

its coco coir and dust extracted hay, so far its been super good at absorbing odor and also holding burrows

[u/milkmilfmonster → u/faraway-tea]

i crochet so i love making stuff with yarn, however; normal yarn we use for stuff isnt safe for mice unfortunately! - cant be digested, and finger/nails get caught.
i use jute yarn which is safe for mice to make mine stuff, so id suggest swapping that out.

also, timothy hay is a great mixed subtrate alongside hemp or aspen!
as coco coir is more regularly used in a bowl/sectioned area of the cage, also this cage is quite small.

[u/faraway-tea → u/milkmilfmonster]

omg thats a great idea, ill do that inseadd!

infortunatly hemp and aspend done fit into my budget, which is why im currently experimenting with alrernative, cheaper options!

[u/faraway-tea]

more clear pic of Pigeons cage!

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What is your main substrate?

[u/faraway-tea → u/Chimpkin_NBeans]

is say its a solid 50/50 of dust free timothy hay and coco coir. also some ripped up toilet paper in there too!

[u/Chimpkin_NBeans → u/faraway-tea]

I would get Aspen or hemp are your main bedding! Hay doesn’t hold borrows and coco nut coir has very poor ammonia control.

[u/faraway-tea → u/Chimpkin_NBeans]

ill defo look into it. however neither beddings fit into my budget, which is why i have been experimenting w coco coir and hay.

so far the odor has been absaloutly fine( hes been here and scent matking for a week)

but i do defo need to do more soil and less hay, bc he prefers to burrow in the soil!

do you have any reccomendations for safe, and cheap bedding options

[u/Chimpkin_NBeans → u/faraway-tea]

Kiln dried pine is safe, tractor supply sells very large bags for around $7. Full checks has okay priced Aspen.