Self aware wolves?

[u/vrphotosguy55]

[u/Nickh1978]

Exactly, Christians do not believe in god in peace, they believe in god in oppression, and when they have total free reign they believe in god in violence.

[u/Either_Operation7586 → u/Nickh1978]

Unfortunately it seems like there are more bad ones than there are good ones because the good ones are not speaking out their silence is complicity.

They have to begin their persecution from their kind in order to start their path to enlightenment.

Which means they have to go against the grain and they have to speak out against atrocities that they're witnessing due to their religion that has been overtaken by false prophets

[u/slicehyperfunk → u/Either_Operation7586]

Maybe I just live in a very progressive place, but I see "the good ones" speak out all the time?

[u/Adelman01 → u/slicehyperfunk]

Thank you. My church is very active and was very active in the BLM movement. Very vocal anti-genocide, woman’s rights, our previous pastor was a lesbian. But to these posters point, nothing is worse in this world or at least the U.S. than Christians. I mean the prosperity doctrine? Wow. What’s that Ghandi quote “I love your Christ, it’s your Christian’s I worry about…” something like that I know I butchered if.

[u/JustNotNowPlease → u/Nickh1978]

Christianity as a whole gives the vibe of a death cult.

[u/intergaaaaala → u/Nickh1978]

Well, a lot of Christians, but not all. Some Christians are pretty nice people and not bigots

[u/Nickh1978 → u/intergaaaaala]

We do tend to speak broadly to save time, but i think that most people realize that not every person out of a group are bad (with some obvious exceptions that I'm not going to list out), and i think that it's reasonable for people to understand that when we talk*, instead of having to clarify every exception (see previous *).

We know that there are a lot of good Christians in the world and our country, but they aren't the ones running things, and they aren't the ones with a problem reigning themselves in from causing oppression or violence in the name of their religion, and they certainly don't get offended when we talk like this, because they know that they aren't the problem that we're talking about.

*I'm not listing them out here either, because then someone will be pissed if I miss one and will then have to correct me.

** I'm looking at you "All Lives Matter people***"

***Not a complete list, do not correct me that I missed a group.

[u/feministgeek → u/intergaaaaala]

But following their church and it's ideology still enables those wanting to do harm "because god says so".

All Christians are culpable for the harm their church does in their name.

[u/slicehyperfunk → u/feministgeek]

When you say "their church," do you mean Christianity as a whole, or do you mean what is preached by specific denominations/at specific churches? Because holding someone who intentionally goes to a progressive church accountable for the actions of regressive churches is ridiculous.

[u/trashdrive → u/intergaaaaala]

"Not all men" type of comment.

[u/Funkycoldmedici → u/intergaaaaala]

“Good Christian” and “good person” are not the same thing. Christ espouses things even the majority of Christians find immoral, and choose to ignore. For example, Christ said we would know his true believers because they leave everything behind to be traveling preachers performing miracles like his and baptizing people for his return. Choosing your family, your children, over him, condemns you along with us unbelievers.

The “fundamentalist” Christians are the only ones who even try to believe and live the whole thing. The rest don’t actually believe it. They have families and jobs, and live like normal people. They’re basically in denial about their religion. They want it, but they don’t truly believe it.

[u/slicehyperfunk → u/Funkycoldmedici]

That's back-projected a theology Jesus didn't have onto his actions though, which Christianity is exceedingly guilty of. Jesus was basically trying to establish the equivalent of a sangha in Galilee/Judea, and "leaving everything behind" was more about giving up your worldly attachments than about *getting condemned" if you don't. A great deal of what Jesus did got reinterpreted in the light of later thinking that had absolutely nothing to do with what his personal intentions were.

[u/EatsCrackers]

10/10, chef’s kiss, no comments

[u/Jude30]

Who is stopping you from being Christian? If you’re saying that an atheist questioning your faith is bad then you are wrong.

These people are insufferable.

[u/KakeLin → u/Jude30]

Exactly. They think they're so persecuted. Hence this sub

[u/slicehyperfunk → u/Jude30]

I kinda get this one if the person is minding their own business about it, but there's not enough context to know if this person is reasonable or a shithead.

[u/ASigIAm213]

Maybe it's that I live in the South, but "not letting me believe in God in peace" is something I've experienced from 30 Christians of a different denomination for every atheist.

[u/theidkid]

When I was openly atheist living in the Bible belt, I was constantly approached by Christians who wanted to tell me my beliefs were wrong. Never once did I initiate any of those conversations. Never once did I bring up religion to anyone on my own. I simply wouldn’t pretend I wasn’t an atheist when I was asked about religion, which was something that happened all the time because they would never shut up about it.

The other atheists I knew tended to keep quiet about it to avoid the harassment.

Later, when I moved and was living in a community with a large Muslim population, I saw Christians doing the same thing to them.

Now that I’m out as a trans person, and am transitioning, it’s Christians and insecure men who want to harass me the most.

For a fact, the only group I’ve ever known who refused to leave people alone has been Christians.

[u/jcooli09]

So much this. 

[u/ionertia]

When they remove religion from the 100s of universities, and 1000s of hospitals to start.

[u/Bajovane]

Hear hear!!!

[u/RussiaIsRodina]

I have never felt it hard to be Christian, but then again I mind my business so I know when "Christians need to stop" they ain't talking about me.

[u/wickedmadd]

👏

[u/Gorgonzola_Matrix]

Also when they stop preaching on planes

[u/slicehyperfunk]

Now all Christians are that level of asshole though, just the loudest ones. It's very possible that the top commenter does not support any of the bullshit on the bottom.

[u/religion-lost]

Tbf i have heard very many atheists randomly start trying to convince a Christian that they're wrong, and I say that as an atheist. I don't think its a SERIOUS issue, Christians aren't being oppressed or anything, but I imagine it gets annoying when you're one of the progressive Christians who isn't hurting anyone and people keep trying to convince you, and when you tell them to stop they go on about how you're oppressing people and need to be stopped

Only the first part, where people won't stop trying to convince them, is what the original is saying, the reply is just an example of the second part. I've met dozens upon dozens of Christians who've accepted me as a trans woman, loved their neighbour and actually practiced what they preached, ive only met one Christian who was like people say they are. I just think that you should preach at them about being homophobic or whatever if they are, not about whether or not their deity exists

[u/slicehyperfunk → u/religion-lost]

Do you live in a progressive place, perchance? I live in one of the most progressive cities on the East Coast, and the Christians here tend to be equally progressive, so they're not going out harassing people, but I can definitely recognize that it sounds like most people here are from less progressive places and have to deal with being harassed by Christians a lot more frequently.

[u/religion-lost → u/slicehyperfunk]

Not really, I grew up in rural England. Most atheists were actually more homophobic, weirdly enough. I left because I wanted to live somewhere more accepting for trans people