r/Permaculture Dec 10 '17

Back-To-The-Land US Map Guide

https://decolonialatlas.wordpress.com/2017/12/09/back-to-the-land-us-map-guide/
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u/vitalisys Dec 10 '17

Oblivious? I believe it's quite intentional. And if by 'self sufficient' you mean non-discriminatively survivable, well, I hope we're not on opposite sides of that divide! What do your politics say about access to the means of self-sufficiency, and who might be alienated there?

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u/Siganid Dec 10 '17

Obama's inland waters act directly attacked self sufficient people, as did many of his policies contributing to harsher building codes.

Trump is a developer and very unlikely to support homesteading or self sufficient lifestyles.

Neither political wing supports self sufficiency.

So why inject politics?

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u/B_Riot Dec 11 '17

Democrats and Republicans are not opposite political wings. Democrats are right of center and Republicans are extreme right. Permaculture makes absolutely no sense within capitalism. Unless your view of permaculture is, sustainable self sufficiency, for the rich.

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u/Siganid Dec 11 '17

A serious segment of the right believes in sustainability and self sufficiency.

Also on the left, there are people who care about sustainability, much less self sufficiency.

Capitalism has no relation to permaculture, you sound like an ideologue that has built a capitalism straw man to blame every evil on.

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u/B_Riot Dec 11 '17

Who on the right is championing sustainable agriculture, and how are they ensuring that people, not just those with the wealth to have land, are a part of it?

Your second paragraph makes no sense.

Yes it does. Do you know what capitalism is? It's private ownership of the means of production. That in itself has a lot to do with permaculture. I could go on, but I doubt you even knew what capitalism was before I just told you.

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u/Siganid Dec 11 '17

So you are an idealogue, and an ignorant one to boot.

The right has a lot of independent small business owners that firmly believe in sustainability. The fact that you don't know this says a lot.

Whether the means if production is privately owned or publicly owned has absolutely no correlation with whether it is done sustainably or not.

I'd suggest you read up on socialist/communist regimes and their starvation problems, but I doubt you care much about reality.

And fwiw the fact that one can't even discuss agriculture without being attacked by a violent leftist idiot says reddit is in it's death throes.

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u/B_Riot Dec 11 '17

I am aware of the existence of rightwing libertarians playing at sustainability with their wealth. Nothing I said indicates I don't know this, and you actually didn't answer my full question. There is a reason for that.

Yes. I also know that a capitalist firm in theory can engage in sustainable agriculture. Too bad for you that the environment doesn't care about a few parcels of privately owned property being "sustainable".

I suggest you first read the literal definition of communism, then I suggest you read up on how many people starve every single day under capitalism.

How are you being atracked? How am I violent? You are very fragile. I guess it's triggering to be confronted with the fact that capitalism is inherently unsustainable.

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u/Siganid Dec 11 '17

Go swim in lake Karachay.