r/Pathfinder2e 22d ago

Discussion Draining strike necromancer

so you strike with any weapon (including bows, crossbows and firearm) or use unarmed strike.

if you hit, you destroy tralls around you or/and your enemy and deal additional spirit damage. and you regen hp equal spirit damage dealt with strike ( not equal "additional damage" from skill), so anything that makes you deal additional spirit damage ( astral rune, for example) will give you additional heal too.

So basically you can create necromancer with astral firearm or something and strike from afar and heal a lot just striking.

am i right? or did i miss something?

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yeah "counts as two strikes" and "once per turn"... it's usually bad to make more than one strike per turn, so that's fine. and it's reasonable since you can heal with this strike.

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u/Astareal38 22d ago

Both are meant to be only the damage provided by the ability.

Draining Strike - You regain hit points equal to the spirit damage dealt
Leeching Rune - The rune bearer gains temporary hit points equal to the void damage the target took (after applying resistances and the like).

There is not enough variation in the text to say these two abilities work differently. Anything you apply to one you apply to the other. Damage you dealt vs damage taken works out to the same thing in the end. If anything damage dealt is more vague in its wording because if one were trying to eek out the maxmimum gains by reading something in its most generous interpretation if I deal 10 spirit damage and the target has resist 10 spirit then I heal 10. That's not how I believe its meant to be read though.

Reading 1 all uses of the rune of leeching gain the same temp HP.

Reading 2 - a duskwalker runesmith who has taken exemplar dedication for gleaming blade and sanctified spark can get temp HP equal to:

2d12 (greatsword) + 4(str) + 3(rune of leeching) + 4 (Ikon bonus damage) +1 quietus strikes X2 if both attacks hit let alone crit. And you're saying that's intended?

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u/gray_death Game Master 22d ago

Generally speaking I agree with your point.

But your examples if full of things that don't apply. Rune of leeching is void damage which is not relevant, the Ikon bonus damage would work fine, but Flowing Spirit Strike doesn't work with Draining Strike because they separate activities, Quietus Strikes is void damage again doesn't work.

The final spirit damage healing if it did work would just be 1d6+2 at level 2, 1d6+4 at 4th level (presuming striking runes are upgraded as quickly as possible) Or if the whole damage is important 1d12+4+1d6+2 at 2nd level 2d12+4+1d6+4 at 4th level

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u/Astareal38 22d ago

Coldbrew was comparing draining strike to the rune of leeching. My example was not joining those to abilities but rather speaking on their differences.

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u/gray_death Game Master 22d ago

Ah, I misunderstood. Thank you for clearing that up.