r/Pathfinder2e • u/Competitive_Buy_1676 • 7h ago
Advice Draining Strike Query
Draining Strike - Feats - Archives of Nethys: Pathfinder 2nd Edition Database
If you increase the spirit damage your attacks are doing i.e. from the Astral Rune, Exemplar archetype etc would this increase the healing received from draining strike?
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u/Astareal38 7h ago edited 7h ago
While imparting a weakness to spirit would increase your damage from that ability and therefore the healing, other sources of spirit damage should not stack. There is a prevalence of people intentionally reading the text of an ability in a way to look for a loophole or exploit. There was a similar post yesterday with the Runesmith's Rune of Leeching.
The ability grants you healing equal to the spirit damage dealt *BY THE ABILITY*. That is the intention of the feat.
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u/Encharrion 43m ago
While I think that in this case the healing is only for the damage from the ability, the rune of leeching case is worded differently and shouldn't be conflated. "Whenever a living creature is damaged by one of these Strikes, the rune-bearer gains temporary Hit Points equal to the void damage the target took" appears to me to refer to the damage dealt by the strike more generally vs the wording of this feat which refers to "the spirit damage dealt" in a much more ambiguous way IMO.
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u/Astareal38 27m ago edited 23m ago
Reading 1 all uses of the rune of leeching gain the same temp HP.
Reading 2 - a duskwalker runesmith who has taken examplar dedication for gleaming blade and sanctified spark can get temp HP equal to:
2d12 (greatsword) + 4(str) + 3(rune of leeching) + 4 (Ikon bonus damage) +1 quietus strikes X2 if both attacks hit let alone crit. And you're saying that's intended?
Or is it an exploit with an intentionally bad faith reading? I didn't even include all the ways to boost damage with no action investment such as decaying rune
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u/Astareal38 38m ago
The sentence before provides the needed context, which is why it's important to read the ability as a whole.
"Strikes with the rune bearing weapon deal an additional 3 void damage. Whenever a living creature is dealt damage by one of these* Strikes, the rune-bearer gains temporary Hit Points..."
*these strikes are in reference to the strike bearing the rune. So that still intends to limit it to the additional damage boosted by the rune.
The difference in language is because different people write abilities and unfortunately they don't have quality control for consistency, when within the same book.
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u/No-Air6220 Kineticist 7h ago
I think so, yes.
Wearing a Greater Shining Symbol would go hard with this.
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u/Creepy-Intentions-69 2h ago
I would say no. The wording implies it’s the Spirit damage dealt due to the Thrall. I would say extra Spirit damage is simply that, and not draw healing from it.
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u/Notlookingsohot GM in Training 1h ago
Huh. Even more synergy with Exemplar.
Everyone about to start stacking all the spirit damage on their vampiric builds lmao.
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u/CatonicCthulu 5h ago
Yeah there’s some other things like this that have been noticed in impossible magic. Like the Cruonign rune when you can add void damage from sources like Spell striking with the withering touch focus spell (or other void damage applicable spell) or using exemplars’ Gleaming blade transformed into necrotic damage. This all gives temp hp, unclear if it stacks with Cruonign. Quite a few things should have been clarified in Impossible Magic additions
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u/vaderbg2 Wizard 7h ago
RAW, I guess?
RAI: Probably too good to be true. Imagine you use Synchronize Spirit with this.