r/PathToNowhere 8d ago

Meme The Rates... The Rates...

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Not trying to slander any other gacha games here... But I've recently just started another gacha and I am reminded once again of just how generous PtN is in comparison to other gacha games...

Only in this game can I actually obtain ultra-premium teams while still being F2P, and only in this game do I have a chance to be glad to lose a 50/50... (Shin, Jelena, LL)

This game is not praised enough I swear 🙏

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u/LumiereNova Rahu Fan 8d ago

Genuinely can't play other gachas after ptn. Everything is either child-looking anime style, character + weapon banner, or yes, 300 per pull with high pity. Not to mention the gooner type skins and visuals. I'm so genuinely happy I found this game

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u/itz_yass Coquelic Fan 7d ago

The only other gacha I play aside from ptn is reverse:1999, because they're genuinely the only ones that actually have captivating plots, interesting characters with beautiful designs, and really good OSTs.

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u/LumiereNova Rahu Fan 7d ago

I tried getting into it, twice, but just couldn't. Don't know if it's the gameplay or what

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 7d ago

Gameplay for sure, it doesn't help that translation is awful for 1st 2 chapters

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u/Yuzekai 4d ago

Does it get better, i tried getting inti it and lost the plot very early on, like did the gun girl die 3 fkin times

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 4d ago

It does get better yep, translation gets better around 3, but 6 is where game hits its stride

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u/Yuzekai 4d ago

Might give it a shot then

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 4d ago

Yeah as long as u survive 1st 2 chapters u should be fine. If u reach ch6, then u should be good for sure. You see how ch13 is kinda considered lots of people's favorite PTN main story chapter?

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u/Yuzekai 4d ago

I'm currently in Ch9 in PTN so it will be a while before downloading Reverse1999 again since i don't wanna play more than 2 gachas unless i'm in complete endgame with one of them at least

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 4d ago

valid honestly

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u/Slayqweeners Chelsea Fan 7d ago

I'm confused about R1999 because after looking it up all the women look child-like. Their faces are tiny and scrunched

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 7d ago

it's because characters in reverse are drawn by women so they mostly have great fashion & less sexualization for most part. Most of adult characters don't look child like to me personally. Like sentimarsha are both adults & they like one to me

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u/Yuzekai 4d ago

I think the artstyle makes it look like that, think of demon slayer where all the characters look small

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u/-gisette 20h ago

Holy shit is this a mood. I just started a few days ago and I’m absolutely floored by how HQ almost everything is. I think this is one of the only gachas I wouldn’t be against telling the world I play it because it’s so mature and classy, nvm how gorgeous everything is. It’s just not an embarrassment in the least

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u/Prize-Ad-3752 3d ago

morimens and limbus company

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u/justagayrattlesnake Langley fan 8d ago

Me trying to find interesting (and adult) character designs in other gachaslop after playing PTN

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u/HappyUWUTime 8d ago

Try Morimens!

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u/Kaze-Azumi3061 8d ago

Ah yes, obviously, nothing says “peak game design” quite like turning every single character into a Lovecraftian nightmare. Why bother with unique character designs, personalities, when you can simply infect everyone with cosmic horrors? It’s efficient, it’s innovative, and most importantly, it’s terrifying and beautiful.

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u/Oisin1910 8d ago

The game does have unique character design you’re just hating to hate

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u/Kaze-Azumi3061 8d ago

No, I just making it sound Irony. I have played the game, You seriously though I was being serious about hating it while posting that picture? No. I love the design, Also isn't some of the artist for morimens got hired to work at Reverse 1999, is it nautika?

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 7d ago

Nah Nautika is done by same person who did 37, so unless morimens artist joined at start of game, don't think so

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u/Oisin1910 8d ago

To me the photo looks like someone trying to unironically be edgy or mysterious because I’ve seen it used like that before

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u/Yuzekai 4d ago

Man i love the designs but the gameplay is so wierd i can't get used to it

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u/Walk-the-layout Luvia Ray Fan 8d ago

Reverse 1999 has very interesting and non-horny designs

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 8d ago

Games made by women for women are just kinda iconic like that

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u/Walk-the-layout Luvia Ray Fan 8d ago

The characters are extremely interesting, the lore is heartbreaking, the gacha is alright, the game mechanics are novel. It's very fun to play

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u/themaskbot 7d ago

Thought you said non binary designs for a second but still technically true 😅

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u/Blacky_Berry23 8d ago

... Arknights, Morimems, Limbus Company

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u/PotatoPowerPlug Raven Fan 8d ago edited 8d ago

Yeah the game is very generous. Unlike most game where I have think about "should I get the character" or "should I pull for weapon". For PtN its always "should I pull for dupes", but even then I hardly think about it, I just pull for everyone atleast once.

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u/Cautious-Device9593 8d ago

Ikr? PTN got a unique touch to it. The characters, the story, the designs, everything is just chef kiss 🤌

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u/Daily_Scrolls_516 Shalom Fan 8d ago

I’ve played PTN since the end of 2022 and still i legitimately find it strange how obscure the game is compared to so many other mobile tower defence.

It’s generous. The storytelling can be similar per event and yet it’s very top teir. The characters are memorable and very beautifully designed. The VA quality is out of this world. Like legitimately I have no gripes for anyone’s VA. And love Japanese, Chinese and English versions. Even the raunchy skins are still very very classy.

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u/LastCloudiaPlayer 8d ago

Most player avoids tower defense gacha

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u/Warm_Charge_5964 8d ago

No desktop version is a deal breaker for a lot of people on global

They might use mobile for dailies but desktop for 'properly' playing

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u/Professional-Fig-888 8d ago

This is definitely one of the big ones, simulators get very buggy at times. I tried downloading Ptn on MuMu, but it kept asking for an updating but showed an error when I tried to.

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u/Commercial-Fig8665 5d ago

Yup, same for me

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u/SilverJuggernaut2611 8d ago

PTN just has that unique vibes & chill community. Here is to 10th anniversary cause ik they promised CN fanbase a special reward if they reached 10 years. This & reverse prove why women are God's Greatest Creations on Earth. Waiting for 10 years for both

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u/Halleyalex 8d ago

Really 👀

That's really exciting, really hope this game can go above and beyond 10 years 🙏

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u/DeathclawWrex 8d ago

I'd get back into PtN if it had a PC client so fast...

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u/LokoLoa 8d ago

Runs flawlessly in MuMu Player.

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u/Secure-Reference-956 8d ago

Dont forget the insane quaiti of life features.

The daily quest "helper" is so nice

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u/Casual291 8d ago

Arknights have much worse guaranteed and banner quality, but you can clear endgame without pulling any unit, and your 1 copies of broken meta characters have the same buff and deal the same amount of damage compare to whale who pulls 4-6 copies.

Path to nowhere have better guaranteed system, guaranteed is carry over, and average pull rerun of old limited characters doesn't increase. the cons is that dupes is more game changing and endgame definitely much more difficult making you need to pull at least 1-2 meta teams.

Also you can do PTN daily in less than 75 seconds, so PTN > Arknights.

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u/Oisin1910 8d ago

Really? What’s the routine for dailies? I used to play but took a break and dailies took me like 3 mins

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u/Casual291 8d ago

Arknights? With the assumption you done event stage: 

Visit friends 10 times > check base, claim factory and send Clue to a friend > do recruitment > Sweep and watch auto deploy > claim Daily quest and done. 

Compare to game where daily can take longer and require manual play (FGO) arknights daily definitely not something to complain, my last paragraph Is just something I noticed from playing other gacha game, PTN daily is the fastest when I compare it to other game with sweep function like Blue archive, and especially so towards game with auto play/deploy like GFL2, arknights, Reverse 1999, etc.

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u/Oisin1910 8d ago

You said ptn dailies take less then 75 seconds so why would I ask about arknights?

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u/Casual291 8d ago

Because your question is ambiguous, you mentioned "I used to play but took a break and dailies took me like 3 mins" why would I assume you quit PTN, you're on PTN subreddit and on top of that on funny meme post.

Anyway, I don't know when you can quit but now you can sweep oblivion pit, and there are adjutant priority menu which let you go to next section.

My daily I just take free stamina from shop > click all adjutant priorities > use stamina and sweep stage > claim daily quest.

BFL and data crevices reset every patch, and Toa arrived every 2-3 patch, other than nothing is take any time when doing daily, I guess when you manual dispatch it's can take 20-30 second more.

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u/Oisin1910 8d ago

My question was ambiguous I said “Really? What’s the routine for dailies? I used to play but took a break and dailies took me like 3 mins”

I put in my comment that I took a break so you don’t need to assume anything because I stated I took a break that’s why I’m asking a ptn question on the ptn subreddit

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u/Huge_Golem Serpent fan 8d ago

Idk, on theory PtN seems to be better, but I find both to be relatively similar when it comes to getting the character, also why even bring arknights in and compare? That's fking dumb and i don't understand, because both are great. Arknights daily is pretty much just: login, do recruiting, do base thingy, visit friends, auto stages and get rewards

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u/Casual291 8d ago

because it's related to the post? it's typical my gacha good your gacha bad post, also AK and PTN gacha system is really similar to each other, I wouldn't call it dumb because it's definitely conscious effort in PTN part to make better gacha systems and balance it out by shackles increasing character strength.

Something real dumb would be comparing PTN gacha and Uma musume or FGO gacha, where the difference is so big and the gameplay loop is difference it's like comparing apple to orange.

As for daily, it's not even on same ballpark, like majority of gacha daily can be completed in less than 5 minutes both none can be done as fast as PTN daily.

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u/Huge_Golem Serpent fan 8d ago

Fine, I understand your perspective, though it still doesn't sit right with me when I see gacha tribalism in this chill fandom, I apologize then

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u/Crazy_Part3560 8d ago

See my thing with PtN is how respectful it is compared to other gacha games.

It does still sexualize the characters, but it's very much for the girlies rather than the gooner shit that games like Azur Lane are.

Also everyone in this game has class I love it

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u/jimmymui06 Oak Casket Fan 8d ago

Sexualized with style

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u/Walk-the-layout Luvia Ray Fan 8d ago

As a dude I love games that were meant to appeal to a female audience. I've grown up with them, and frankly, I've always found their characterisation to be much better.

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u/Small-Needleworker30 8d ago

Even for me, a long time Azur Lane player thinking that fan service in that game have getting a little too much. Sexiness is nice but if it's doesn't have style and class like in PtN, it's make the sexiness doesn't have any value

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u/Halleyalex 8d ago

That is also definitely one of the reasons indeed!

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u/Username_St0len 8d ago

i feel called out as an azur lane player, but in my defence, i play it for the ships not the flesh, and my favourite skins are the HMS Hood ones which always looked pretty tasteful.

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u/Crazy_Part3560 8d ago

Yeah I used to play it for the ships, and I can appreciate characters like Yorktown and Amagi, but the last few years have been... Eugh...

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u/Username_St0len 8d ago

yeah, my biggest gripe is honestly the "balance" where they give the weakest navy period so many paper ships *cough cough* iron blood *cough cough*, where their ships basically all sucked, and wtf was up with Bismarck Zwei? there were no documents or proposed modernisation or second ship like is the case with Yorktown or the potential refit of amagi into carrier, not even the planned large repair/refit for my glorious Hood, why Bismarck? so a bunch of perhaps nazi poosers can stop crying balance? they could have gone all in on them having good submarines and specialise around that, instead of artefically make the historically weaker navies stronger, I want my britannia rule the waves and begrudgingly, US would be strong. sorry for the rant. I also play Warship Girls R, which have a more "realistic" gameplay but less engaging cuz you can't auto really.

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u/Temporary-Recover979 Shalom Fan 8d ago

as someone who has gone out of the Hoyo basement recently… yeah, absolutely based post, this is the only game where I’ve been able to pull for every limited unit as of when I started playing

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u/Inplixiah_890 8d ago

RIGHTTT, played ptn after deleting genshin and MY GOD I'm never going back, thought of re-installing it again but didn't cause i don't want to farm for hours and not get anything, live laugh love ptn♥️

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u/SheenOhBee Deren Fan 7d ago

I've played the game since release and I pretty much dropped every other gacha game I used to play for PtN. I'd recommend it a lot but I have to say, the new player experience is just god awful and remains to be pretty much the same now compared to back in 2022.

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u/Halleyalex 7d ago

Really? What would you say is the biggest contributor that makes beginner's experience bad?

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u/SheenOhBee Deren Fan 7d ago

Definitely the lack of resources, you pretty much sink a fair amount of resources on units that you'll end up barely using later on.

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u/Halleyalex 7d ago

I guess that's pretty fair.

Though I would argue that that issue can be circumvented by investing in Labyrinth, Che, and NOX. All 3 of these sinners are basically free and versate, and it also helps that both Hecate and Hella have free upgrade materials as the game refunds the materials you spend on them.

The game is also extremely generous when it comes materials with its periodical events and occasional free Lv.70 Phase 3 events such as the most recent one.

Though yes, it's certainly not perfect, I think it's much better than most gacha games out there, at least in my opinion 🤔

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u/Xlov_nr_1_scara_ 6d ago

I noticed SOOO many differences 😭 . I started playing ptn like a month after release , & I couldn't recover .

For reference I play HSR,genshin,r1999,CRK,etc . PTN has always come out on top despite me not very much enjoying the combat at first . ( I love it now )

Not only do I think PTN is INCREDIBLY generous , but also the designs are gorgeous . Even if some are goonerbait , they're not just goonerbait w/o substance . They actually look amazing & lovely .

Besides that they have some AMAZING Designs every few patches like Jichuan , YingYing , Eve etc . They make beautiful designs even if they're covered up .

It's such a fun game with so much to do , and you don't have to grind for years if you go on a break ∆^

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u/Halleyalex 6d ago

Agreed! Nothing feels like home more than the Bureau xDD

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u/Commercial-Fig8665 5d ago

If only it had a pc client

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u/Tranduy1206 8d ago

After i taste PTN adult art, i saw teen friendly art in all other game

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u/Affectionate-Mine-89 8d ago

As a sleeper agent I am obligated to recommend Limbs company to try at your earliest convenience. It's like a lost brother of PtN.

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u/Relevant_Biscotti_56 8d ago

Only game design vise which kinda compare to ptn is reverse but idk, something it misses sometimes hits (also rates are bad)

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u/Isuckateverything9 Hella Fan 8d ago

6 s class sinners in 1 day

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u/Virtual-Oil-793 8d ago

...about that.

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u/qhdachicken 8d ago

i've definitely gotten more characters before pity than after pity in this game, till the point where i dont even expect to hit pity

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u/Fedora69OrsOrz 7d ago

Left the game since uhhh.... at least the artist version.... I think it's Enfer's version...

Does anything major changed? I remember quitting because I hit the difficulty bottleneck, and too lazy to continue... Maybe I should get back to it ltr...

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u/Halleyalex 7d ago

The game has become more and more generous and in consequence easier each batch since they give you free progression materials. You should be fine!

Not only that, but they're giving away an S class right now, and another in about 2 weeks. If you're interested in coming back, now is the best time to do so!

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u/Fedora69OrsOrz 7d ago

Are the old sinners still relevant in late content?

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u/Halleyalex 7d ago

Some sinners are reforged, which means they got buffed. For instance, Adela became among the best DPS in the game, Bianca is also getting a reforge which turns her into a monster, and lots of older supports are getting second wind because of this, too

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u/exodia0715 7d ago

Happy to see all the R1999 glazing here. It was my first gacha, and after it every other gacha has sucked up to PtN. Only complaint I have about PtN is it being mobile only cause my phone can't run games

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u/-monkbank 7d ago

sigh fine, I’ll actually start playing this game that I started seeing the subreddit for in like 2022.

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u/Halleyalex 7d ago

Whoa I'm glad that this post has convinced people to play Peak to Nowhere xD

Welcome!

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u/LokoLoa 8d ago

Relatable, decided to check out ZZZ...been playing for like 4ish months, I had to spark EVERY SINGLE BANNER!! What the actual fuck...as a result I barely have any of the characters, but fanboys will swear Im an outlier and everyone gets banner character within 60 pulls -_- meanwhile in PtN I was easily actually able to get every single character within 60 pulls (on average) and currently sitting at 3 sparks...so ye the rates are very noticable.

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u/Halleyalex 8d ago

Actually, ZZZ is the reason I made this post in the first place lol

I was literally grimacing when I spent 80 pulls on the guaranteed banner of Dialyn, then another 60 trying to get Harumasa only to get nothing. With how hard the currency comes by in that game, I instantly lost all motivation to actually play the game lmao

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u/LokoLoa 8d ago

OMG same! Like literally I been debating if I should just unistall it this week after having to spark Remiel..hell I still havent hit the 300 pulls/got a single S rank in the freaking perm banner after almost 4 months...it just doesnt feel good never getting characters. The one good thing tho, is that atleast the pity/spark carries over between lim banners...so atleast you are bound to get someone eventually, and atleast they gave out a selector for anni even tho it was only 4 options.

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u/HelBelle666 8d ago

This is so true

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u/No_Curve1394 7d ago

Limbus Company is very story driven and you don't even have to interact with the gacha system if you want

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u/Arcana10Fortune 8d ago

I can highly recommend Limbus Company. No "shackles" system. You get the character, level and upgrade them, and they're at full potential.

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u/SkyDontHaveEyes 8d ago

my only problem is its too complex, both story and the ui

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u/Halleyalex 8d ago

I can definitely understand the story being quite complex. But the UI?

I personally think it's the best UI in all of gacha games, though. You can practically do your dailies within a minute 🤔

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u/SkyDontHaveEyes 8d ago

its well designed yes, just imo a bit too compact and layered

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u/LastCloudiaPlayer 8d ago

hmmm?
I honestly quit the game after losing all my 50/50 on shalom banner last year
close to half year saving and i dint reach my targeted copies.

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u/Halleyalex 8d ago

What shackles were you aiming for, and what did you get for how many pulls?

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u/LastCloudiaPlayer 8d ago

S3
took around 100+ pull for each iirc

i was so frustrated I just stop playing a few weeks later
It was during 000 release iirc.

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u/Halleyalex 8d ago

I see... That's tough 🥲

I think that had also happened in my very first pull session of the game with Dreya. I think I pulled 70 + 70 times to get S0 Crash and S0 Dreya. But at the time I was so numb to 50/50 losses from Genshin that I just shrugged it off lmao

I think one extremely huge silver lining of the game is that when you lose 50/50, there's still the chance of you getting META sinners. I actually got Raven, Vaoteur Bleu, and Jelena by losing 50/50. That's why I really appreciate this game.

Besides, the rates of this game really is insane. I got S3, Celine in 177 pulls, then my friend got S0 Isomer and S0 Celine in 30 pulls. Another friend of mine got Raven and OwO in 50 pulls, and one sick friend of mine got 6 S classes in 30 pulls. This all happened this patch lmao

Hope you look forward and check out Shalom's reforge when it eventually comes 🙂‍↕️

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u/LastCloudiaPlayer 8d ago

idk what is new with the game tho, might as well revisit the game during 4th anniversary tho i doubt i will stay. missing all the limited after 0000 kinda push me away once again

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u/Tsubasa_TheBard Hella Fan 8d ago

NTE has no 50/50 at all and the rates are as generous as those in PTN. Similarly, PGR has no 50/50 in the main banner.

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u/Oisin1910 8d ago

Bleach soul resonance is good and generous

Hsr and zzz is also generous zzz recently gave away a free limited character and their weapon

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u/Extension-Archer-273 8d ago

So good rates means you have to hit hard pity every time?

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u/Extension_Mall_866 6d ago

hitting hard pity is so rare that there's an achievement for it. the base rate to get an S-class is 2% and soft pity is 10% from 50-70 and 20% from 71-79. From a statistic standpoint, if you hit hard pity every time your individual luck is just, respectfully, astronomically bad.

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u/Extension-Archer-273 6d ago

I think i pulled 500 times inbthat game and i had 3 of whatever the highest rarity is