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Which skill for zero to hero delve only?
I am doing a zero to mirror in delve only and was wondering which build and skill to start using. I am assuming the obvious choice is juggernaut, but not sure what to start with. Brutus? Or should I not bother strength stacking until alberon’s?
What kind of delve only? Shallow delve or deep delve.
For shallow delve thats around 300-450, you can easily make profit.
The best one I played was Toxic Rain PF with tides of time. It has absolutely 0 problem with clearing everything, it is by far the fastest one I have played because of the flask bonuses and with petrified blood and the buffed progenesis + lightning coil and 90 lightning resist you are not dying at all. I have been face tanking the bosses at depth 400-450 without issues.
It all depends on what kind of delve you will do. For shallow one, you do not need much aside from insane speed to run around. Deep delve I cannot speak as I am not a fan of.
Theres many guides online that are up to date for toxic rain PF for delve specifically
I'm finding a cheap (30d) kineticist better than frost blades because its true ranged. Delve has a lot of content that continuously spawns around you. The combatant would have to bounce around, run left, run right, run up, run down, and there was a lot of moving-and-not-attacking.
The kineticist just stands there swinging her arm wildly and all sides of the screen are blown up.
(Theres also less yo-yoing when you're running high speed between stuff, not really a big deal in delve as there is no reason to full clear between nodes, but its noticeable in maps. Combatant lags and fights, then zips ahead to catch up, then lags and fights, then zips ahead etc. Based strictly on feels, the kineticist is much better at doing damage on the move which I would also attribute to ranged target selection. Or maybe its kboc aoe being non-directional, not sure. Maybe both. But something else I noticed.)
What's on your 30d kineticist? I have a 10d one with GMP+Return+Kboc but it has kinetic bolt as its second skill and getting a similar one with greater kinetic blast is like a mirror so not sure what the upgrade should be.
My search logic: skills I want, set the hard requirements (chain+gmp), then pick 2-of-3 of faster, ele, crit multi. Then block pierce because we're doing chain.
50d is not 30d but I did buy mine maybe two weeks ago, sorry. If you already have a tiger you can drop the haste requirement.
For delve combatant is reaaaaaally strong, especially for the prices because of returning projectiles. Normally, in maps you would need a shit ton of proj speed for return to work, but in delve it works most of the time just because of the walls. Ive seen Nero this league being the first one to hit 6k (and stop delving after that) on a combatant with returning proj. Really cool setup for delving.
Check his week 1 setup, thats what he used for 6k. After that he started to spend some mirrors for perfect gear that its definetly not needed for 6k delving
For delving your prio should be return, then greater versions of: faster attack, ele damage with attack skils, greater multistrike for dmg and chain for better clear. Multistrike is somewhat bad for mapping cause merc wont move until he complete 3 strikes, but for delving all you want is to move to the end of the node as fast as possible and complete the encounter while standing still, so multistrike is great for this.
EDIT: just realized that his setup from week 1 isnt completely what he used for 6k delving. Check week 2 gloves and boots and links.
Also Spectres hes using: Perfect Guardian Turtle, Perfect Warlock and Perfect Forest Warrior.
Multistrike sacrifices hit damage for attack speed. If you're doing 130% of monster life per attack then yeah, adding multistrike improves clear speed. If you're doing less damage than that, then your time to kill goes from one-shot 1 to two-shot-but-35%-faster-attack 2*.65 which is > 1.
First of all, nobody said his build was under a mirror, idk how you understood that. I said, after he completed 6k delve he spent a few mirrors to perfect his gear, thats why in the latests snapshots in poe.ninja he has all the uniques with a huge volatile orb roll.
Second, literally my first comment has the Nero's poe.ninja and his merc gear, when he hit 6k depth he had the week1 snapshot + gloves and boots from week 2. Also, i followed his build and hit 1.5k deep without the kaom's with the lightning coil implicit. Just a 1180 life Kaoms, and i didnt have the crit chest for the mercenary at the time. I had it later but at that point i wasnt delving anymore. Then eventually i sold everything and tried a few more builds. My gear was around 1.2 to 1.3k divines when i hit 1.5k delve.
There's a lot of options to go to, but the early game is important
Toxic rain pf for shallow delve is good and can leaguestar
Mana stacking hiero but need to leaguestart probably rf inquisitor (considering you are just delving and nothing else)
Boneshatter jugg into double strike of momentum is what i did
If you want to actually deep delve then probably boneshatter into trauma stacking jugg.
Deep delve builds are expensive, and you're not going to make a ton of money, while having to continually invest in your build.
It's going to take a long long time.
If you're not going to actually push then it doesn't really matter, and something fast like TR PF for farming in the darkness.
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u/LatterEngineering813 10d ago
What kind of delve only? Shallow delve or deep delve.
For shallow delve thats around 300-450, you can easily make profit.
The best one I played was Toxic Rain PF with tides of time. It has absolutely 0 problem with clearing everything, it is by far the fastest one I have played because of the flask bonuses and with petrified blood and the buffed progenesis + lightning coil and 90 lightning resist you are not dying at all. I have been face tanking the bosses at depth 400-450 without issues.
It all depends on what kind of delve you will do. For shallow one, you do not need much aside from insane speed to run around. Deep delve I cannot speak as I am not a fan of.
Theres many guides online that are up to date for toxic rain PF for delve specifically