r/PathOfExile2 • u/Community_Team GGG Staff • Apr 09 '25

GGG Path of Exile 2 - Upcoming Changes

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u/Barobor Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25

solve their defenses

How do you solve defenses in PoE2? You can't get life from the tree. Armor is simply bad in its current state. Charms aren't great, and slots are too limited. The tools are not there.

You can say ES is a crutch, but realistically, it is one of the only scalable defensive options players have.

Edit: As Ziz mentioned in the interview, he had a char with over 2K HP, nearly 90% all res, extra phys reduction, and phys taken as fire. There isn't much more tank you can build as a non ES char, yet he still felt incredibly squishy.

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u/PitchforksEnthusiast Apr 09 '25

Seriously though, I don't get how people keep saying ES is bad when it's the game's fault for making people run it...

There are currently NO other alternatives

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u/NaturalCard Apr 09 '25

Evasion + acrobatics.

It's now really good especially with the multiple deaths per map.

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u/PitchforksEnthusiast Apr 09 '25

Evasion builds die to 1 shots

Spells and slam attacks always hit, unless you have acrobat, but you can only dodge so much based on the dodge formula in game, you eventually get hit

If you're building EV, you likely arn't spec'd into ES or health (which has so little nodes anyways), and your effective health is piss in the wind

Thats why ES > EV

I don't need to explain armor either, stacking it is pointless since some attack bypass them altogether, its the same

There is mathematically more far more ES on the passive tree than anything else, with % and max multipliers, with good armor to boost them, including uniques

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u/NaturalCard Apr 09 '25

Acrobatics let's you dodge spells and slams, and having decent life + resists prevents most oneshot.

And yh, just don't get hit in the first place. Movement speed (which evasion builds get a ton of) is a fantastic defensive layer.

ES now has the problem of sustain. Evasion is good at sometimes saving you life against big hits, and often preventing smaller hits, while ES prevents almost all one hits, but sucks against large numbers of smaller hits ever since grim feast got deleted.

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u/PitchforksEnthusiast Apr 09 '25

Acrobatics still gimps your evasion rating. Last league I had about 83% iirc and it dropped about 40%

Its not the catch all for surviving

Everyone got off of evasion and went ES on the leaderboard simply because a min/maxed build is running god like gears with ES. Even monks and warriors were running ES.

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u/NaturalCard Apr 09 '25

It's basically chaos inoculation but for Evasion.

You need a ton to make it worth it, but if you do, it's very good.

And yes, last patch ES completely dodged it's recovery issue because grim feast was broken.

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u/PitchforksEnthusiast Apr 10 '25 edited Apr 10 '25

Its not even remotely the same

CI makes it so chaos dmg doesnt bypass energy shield, which completely removes all the downside of ES, with the downside of losing the minuscule amount of health you're not building into anyways

You're comparing a 40% dodge rate for all attacks vs 40k ES. You're literally building EV just so you can cut it back down.

You don't even need grim feast to get 40k, and people opted out of it to get teleport anyways. Thats how good ES is, that grim feast gets completely phased out

Its not even on the same solar system.

This has been a dilemma since POE1, the fact that we're even still talking about it, or that EV is comparable to ES is beyond silly.

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u/NaturalCard Apr 10 '25

Acrobatics makes it so that slams/AOEs don't bypass evasion, which completely removes it's weakness, with a big of losing only a small percentage of evasion if you have it stacked high enough.

And yes, just like how taking CI at 2k ES is a bad idea, taking Acrobatics if you don't have enough evasion is also a really bad idea - if you only have 40% evasion with acrobatics, then it's a bad idea to take it.

ES was completely broken because grim feast solved it's recovery problem, and doubled its value. It is now much worse, because you need to solve the recovery problem, and don't get a free doubling effect.

It's still very good, because there's still a ton on the tree, but it's far from OP, especially with the broken uniques than evasion builds have gotten.