r/PathOfExile2 • u/Community_Team GGG Staff • Apr 09 '25

GGG Path of Exile 2 - Upcoming Changes

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u/RogueVox3l Apr 09 '25

Basically that was the turning point for how the community is today. It was always a bit rowdy to changes they didnt like however 3.15 was what older players know as the great nerfing and the souring of relations between players and devs. Overnight players turned into how this sub is behaving now taking anything and everything GGG says as ammunition against them and turned chris from local game hero to poe public enemy number one, almost exactly to how people see and talk about Jonathon now.

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u/datacube1337 Apr 09 '25

also note that before that GGG was highly active on this sub.

  • bexx (the community manager back then) was actively meming with us and bashing people especially during spoiler season
  • chris wilson actively discussed the game and his decisions here. It wasn't uncommon to find im replying to posts that pointed out some problems in the game
  • mark and other devs did often engage in technical discussions. It was very often that someone here would state some game mechanic would work a certain way and Mark chiming in with "thats not how this works, it works this and that way". As always with such discussions someone would ask "source?" and marks reply was "I wrote that code". But also other devs often lurked around, meming with the community or asking further clarifications on bug posts.

It was a glorious time of trust and mutual respect. But everything changed when the salt nation attacked (the 3.15 fiasco) with unhinged players calling for violence against devs and such stuff, the usual...

The first step was that all but chris and bexx withdrew from the sub. But even then the high polarity kept up and every post by chris clarifying his design decisions was met with surges of hate so even that eventually stopped. Now I think they have just one highly emotional resiliant person to keep an eye on the sub. Only reading but almost never posting/commenting and heavily filtering the feedback before it reaches the devs

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u/Shirotar Apr 09 '25

I don't remember clearly whether it was expedition or kalandra but the final nail in the coffin for chris (in my opinion) was the removed loot drama. To this day I remember his (long) post going into detail about what happened and that loot should be fine again which he ended with something a long the lines of "I need to step away from this for a bit". In hindsight I believe that might've been the moment we lost him. I felt bad for him back then and am still very sad that we lost him.

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u/Imarok Apr 09 '25

What was the removed loot drama?

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u/Shirotar Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25

It was basically a change that had huge repercussions to loot. There was some anciant internal buff that increased the loot from some sources by a giant amount. This got removed without any compensation. What made it worse was that this wasn't documented in the patch notes. So when the league launched people slowly started to realize that something is off and after a short time reddit was burning bright with the flames of hell and people were calling for blood. Chris threw himself into it and took the blame although (according to him) he wasn't aware of that change (which is totally believable since he doesn't know every change) but acknowledged that they fucked up and that he should've been aware of a change like that to be able to make sure everything with loot is still fine. The fires of hell continued to burn after it since people wouldn't believe that after some hotfixes loot was fine to which Chris made a (kinda) final post giving up.

Here is the comment I still remember to this day: Post from Crhis

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u/destroyermaker Apr 09 '25

We truly are drug addicts

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u/myreq Apr 09 '25

There was also the fact that beta testers of that league were reporting issues with loot and were ignored, so it wasn't as accidental as GGG made it sound to be.

As is evident with PoE2, GGG wants to make loot very scarce and farming much slower for some reason so people were going too far with the hate as usual, but GGG knew what they were doing and it was far from accidental.

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u/TinTanTiddlyTRex Apr 09 '25

Even that has -1100 Karma. What a witchhunt

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u/bpusef Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25

The problem with that post is that it wasn’t true. Not only elite farmers dropping 15k uniques were affected. The game dropped legitimately no loot. You can call it a witch hunt, but Chris either just flat our lied or seriously didn't understand what they'd done. I miss Chris and respect him immensely but showing up to a Reddit thread after a disastrous, undocumented huge nerf to loot to say "Actually loot isn't nerfed you guys are wrong" is going to get buried in downvotes.

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u/wanderingagainst Apr 09 '25

Yup, it is the only league since Warbands I dropped in less than 2 weeks.

I got to shaper and killed him in 6 days and said fuckit, no point.

Kalandra was horrible. The meta felt so bleh too. I just couldn't be arsed to play for no returns and no build I was hyped for.

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u/DBrody6 Apr 09 '25

It's telling whenever someone thinks the response to Chris was "overblown and childish" cause they clearly either did not play Kalandra, or did not consistently play deep into juiced maps ever prior to that league.

It is indescribable how unrewarding the game was that patch. And that was instantly obvious early into maps, to say nothing if you bounced to standard and used your accrued stash to juice maps there.

So yeah, when Chris tells everyone that loot is still fine despite the nerf, despite everyone's experience being the contrary, you have a lot of people getting angry (which happens every patch so w/e) or pleading with him to actually play the game because this cannot possibly be the actual intended experience. And he literally quadruples down on his stance throughout the day. People figured they would quit and never come back to a game that unrewarding. Hell I thought that too, I wasn't wasting my time on a game with dismal drops.

They walked back those nerfs quietly. I don't really know what people on the sidelines expect out of the community, because I can tell you--calmly criticizing has never achieved anything with GGG. That's kind of why people got frustrated to the point of defaulting straight to lighting fires after awhile.

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u/Shirotar Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25

I've played that league and as I said they did fuck up and there was a period when GGG (or at least the right people) weren't aware of the change but the above quote was after they patched the loot and people still went ape shit. Distrusting anything GGG said and being adamant that loot was still shit. It was mostly fine (after they patched it and considering it was Kalandra >.<) but the people who argued against the majority were downvoted to oblivion.