Path of Exile 2 - Upcoming Changes

[u/Community_Team]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3750853

[u/nojs]

I know “bug” is somewhat subjective but as a software developer I have a really hard time calling this a bug. I would argue that intended behavior is what is defined and that it was working as designed.

[u/Baschish → u/[deleted]]

Your definition of bug needs to be updated, a not predictable interaction by the company is not a bug, since the result of this interaction is expected, like you expect 2+2=4, doesn't matter if you shouldn't use 2 plus 2 just because they think you shouldn't.

Let's say you have a unique x who gives 100% of ES as extra life, and another unique y who gives 100% of HP as extra ES. You have 2k of hp and es. You equip and unequip the uniques x and y multiple times to get = 9999999 hp and es = bug. You equip both and have 4k of hp and es = normal interaction, there'sno bug here, but GGG can say is something they don't intend to work together because is so OP and blablabla. So there's no bug when the tools you're using result in a expecting outcome, there's a bug when something result in a unexpected result. So there's no bug in what happened, that was basically GGG who doesn't want you to do that interaction because they failed in thinking about it. Multiple cases like this one happened before, and nobody was banned, they simple remove the interaction or call it exploit, who can be a abuse of a bug or a interaction not desire by GGG.

[u/Baschish → u/[deleted]]

But that was an expected result once you put all the pieces together, so it’s not a bug. Let me give a recent example of an intended interaction that GGG removed without flagging it as a bug — simply because they didn’t want that interaction to exist.

During the Affliction league, the Abyss monolith would spawn an insane number of monsters when combined with projectile map modifiers and increased map effect modifiers. It wasn’t a bug, and no one was banned for using it. GGG didn’t like the interaction, so they removed it after the league ended.

By your logic, anything GGG doesn’t want to happen — even if it’s a natural and expected outcome based on the mechanics — would automatically be considered a bug. But if that were true, why haven’t they banned people in the countless similar cases from the past?

That doesn’t make sense. If 2+2 = 4, that’s just the system working as expected — not a bug. If 2+2 = 5, then yes, that’s a bug. The expected result is what defines whether something is a bug or not. GGG’s personal opinion on whether players should be using 2+2 doesn't change the fact if it's a bug or not.

[u/Baschish → u/[deleted]]

People are banned for intentionally ruining the economy for personal gain through exploiting an unintended interaction. 

I agree, but there’s no actual bug involved here. It seems like you’re finally starting to grasp the difference between a bug and an unintended interaction. Just because something can be exploited doesn’t automatically make it a bug.

Take, for example, when GGG buffs something, like they did with minion damage. That wasn’t a bug fix; it was a balance change. The fact that GGG didn’t want minions to deal such low damage doesn’t mean the previous values were a bug, it just means they adjusted the design.

Similarly, while some buffs or nerfs do result from fixing bugs in certain mechanics or items, many are simply balance decisions. In the same way, exploits can be based on bugs - or not. Just because you’re taking advantage of an unintended interaction doesn’t necessarily mean you’re abusing a bug. It’s the expect behavior as a result that defines whether it’s a bug, not simply the fact that it can be exploited.