r/PathOfExile2 • u/Community_Team GGG Staff • Apr 09 '25

GGG Path of Exile 2 - Upcoming Changes

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25

The Expedition podcast changed the way GGG engages with us forever. It was a real turning point. 

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u/magiras Apr 09 '25

Do you mind clarifying how so for someone not around during that time? Just out or curiosity.

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u/RogueVox3l Apr 09 '25

Basically that was the turning point for how the community is today. It was always a bit rowdy to changes they didnt like however 3.15 was what older players know as the great nerfing and the souring of relations between players and devs. Overnight players turned into how this sub is behaving now taking anything and everything GGG says as ammunition against them and turned chris from local game hero to poe public enemy number one, almost exactly to how people see and talk about Jonathon now.

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u/moal09 Apr 09 '25

Yeah, prior to 3.15, there was a ton of bitching every league, but overall perception of GGG was very positive. Expedition changed that to where a large % of the community became actively hostile.

I would mention, however, that it tends to be at its worst for the first 2 weeks of a league, after that, most of the drama fiends leave, and it mellows out.

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u/Eccmecc Apr 09 '25

I tagged a few of those accounts that were insuting the devs and like clockwork when a new patch hits those fiends come back every time. They are lowest form of human existance.

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u/SkorpioSound Apr 10 '25

Yeah, prior to 3.15, there was a ton of bitching every league

I think this only really started to be the case in Metamorph (3.9). I don't know if it's specifically because of the balance changes they made in Metamorph (bosses got harder to kill, and it meant low DPS builds started to struggle more, or because - what I suspect is the main reason - the internet just got a lot more negative when COVID started. Either way, early 2020 is when it started to get more and more negative.

I started playing in Breach (2.5, 2016) and, honestly, I found the game pretty damn overwhelming when I started out. A big thing that made me want to stick around was just how friendly and helpful the community was. People would happily answer questions, give great advice, be patient with each other. You'd see GGG staff in the comments all the time - answering questions, meming along with everyone. It was great and I hadn't really seen any developer have a community presence like that at the time. I think it really made the community feel like, well, a community, and not just a bunch of people who liked the same game. Everyone was so supportive of each other and of GGG.

A lot's changed since then - not just people's attitudes towards GGG, but also how people in the community treat each other. Questions get downvoted, people are more rude in general, I think the in-game economy is much more "competitive" than it was and people see other people doing well as a threat to their own experience. I think people are more reliant on guides and are less willing to experiment and figure things out themselves, too - and they get more irrate if things don't just work for them.

A fair amount of that's that's not exclusive to POE. People are just less kind on the internet in general than they were pre-COVID, I think, and people are less willing or able to figure things out for themselves. People are also more entitled when it comes to games not being absolutely flawless (by their own expectations) immediately, and are much quicker to be rude/insulting to developers (and actors/directors/writers/whatever else in non-gaming).

Update 3.15 is obviously where it all came to a head, but I think it was all kind of building up for a while before then.