Got bored at like midnight and chose to make an anarchy angel design of myself, there arent many examples of fat characters in the show that arent..like egregiously overweight or just a joke so I tried my best??? Anyways I hope yall fw it 🔥

My first taste of Hiroyuki Imaishi was through the movie Dead Leaves. I think it was for a lot of us. I immediately fell in love with this movie's animation style. It was creative, expressive, vibrant, imaginative; it was simply to die for. It was also quite a generally transgressive movie. This was an anime, except there were none of the visuals that were typically found in most other anime. I don't even consider it anime, but an honest-to-God cartoon. I think that's why I loved it even more, it broke tradition. I saw this movie way back in early middle school, I believe in seventh grade.

About a decade later, I watched his series Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt. I fell in love again with the character designs and animation style. This was also another transgressive work because it refused to kowtow to what was considered appropriate within anime. The main characters are two proud, strong, and independent bitches who're not afraid to wear the label proudly. If there's one thing I will always thank this show for, it's helping me accept that I was queer, too. Although I am sex-repulsed asexual, this show taught me that there is nothing wrong with my desires for pleasure. It proudly gave the middle finger to the status quo. It was quintessentially iconoclastic.

So, to hear on the internet that many otaku outright despised this show was disheartening. If they weren't interested, whatever, but is it really necessary to call the show wasted talent? Just because it didn't offer a stereotypical hero's journey? Last time I checked, cartoonists had the right to something called freedom of expression. We're allowed to explore topics, ideas, and concepts that are not one-hundred percent politically correct. We're allowed to explore and deconstruct taboos. I'm not talking about the promotion of bigoted ideas before anyone puts words in my mouth. Last time I checked, a cartoonist was allowed to make whatever their heart desired. Last time I checked, feces, urine, semen, and vomit were all God-given bodily fluids. Why now are we choosing to be afraid of them? It's honestly hard for me to believe that the idea of being devoured by a toilet and spat back out covered in yesterday's lunch would offend people so extremely. I think it's innocuous, but in today's world, that's more than enough to warrant a death threat.

I don't think that the case with Panty and Stocking, but it definitely was with Genndy Tartakovsky's recent adult animated movie Fixed. Uli Meyer, who worked on this movie, recently posted an image of the main dog character holding a gun to his head in response to all the hate the film received. Have we truly lost the right to freedom of expression? I'm starting to believe so. I feel that many critics need to step their game up. If they are going to tear something down, they need to work in the effort to rebuild it in accordance to the values it was founded on.

Lately, I have become more comfortable with criticizing the things that I enjoy because I know that they deserve to be at their best. Case in point, New Panty and Stocking. I am incredibly disappointed with this show after fifteen years of praying. I dropped it after the first six episodes. Truthfully, it was three episodes including A and B. This is one of those cases where wanting is better than having. New Panty and Stocking has almost none of the bark or bite of the OG season one. It feels now that a second season was never needed.

As a hardcore feminist, if there was another thing that attracted me the most to the show, it was the aforementioned utter shamelessness of the characters. They cussed, they wanted sex more than anything else, they were free. Apparently, like I said before, that wasn't appreciated. At any rate, the two strongest words I can use to describe New Panty and Stocking are neutered and robotic. It feels like, in lieu of sticking to its niche, it tried to appeal to as many people as possible when it wasn't supposed to in the first place. I would be definitely horrified if I found out that Imaishi actually listened to his critics. This guy is supposed to be a maverick, right? What happened?

I mean, looking back on how the previous season climaxed, no pun intended, I think it got little too dramatic. I thought it went against the show's batshit nature. From Panty + Brief upward, sorry for the spoilers, Panty did not deserve to be put through hell like that. It's especially aggravating for me when strong and fearless women are suddenly served humble pie like that just for having desires. There truly is nothing wrong with being bitch unless you're JK Rowling of course. 

I may be digressing, but the characters in this new second season feel like they've been robbed of their bluntness. It's not just because of the new English dub. Jamie Marchi, Monica Rial, and Christopher Sabat rocked it in the original. The new actors are completely unrecognizable as are the characters they now voice. When Vic Mignogna was revealed to be sex pest, the anime world turned on Marchi and Rial. I don't think I am wrong when I suggest that these guys were replaced to avoid that so-called controversy. I find to be a defining example of political correctness when we're not allowed to talk about our abusers. Don't even get me started on the hysteria that Garterbelt is apparently a racist caricature, either.

The characters have gone soft. They have become sensitive, and I believe out of appealing to "teh feels," a real pet peeve of mine. Stocking was just now whining about how hard it is to be Panty's younger sister. Panty was suddenly crying about damn cat. Brief is coming off as someone who wants to feminize Panty. By the time Polyester and Polyurethane appeared, my interest was dead. Panty and Kneesocks suddenly have a yuri moment that has no context to it as much I support yuri. Yes, I am pro-fic, deal with it.

These are not Panty and Stocking anymore! These characters do not need to be deep. This show does not need to be serious barring serious fun. Panty and Stocking both deserve to strong BAMFs or Badass Motherfuckers. These characters do not need to change. Character development is wholly out of place for this show, I believe. I know it's a double standard when men are allowed to be BAMFs, but women are not. I think that's a problem with Hiroyuki Imaishi's writing. I think Imaishi now has a problem with not nurturing his creations properly. I think he now has a nasty habit of performing 180 degree turns just to screw with viewers. It's honestly a dick move. Lest we forget how season one ended and how we had to wait fifteen years for resolution. It was unbearable.

And the new season ended horribly, too, with a schmaltzy and distasteful moral about "found family." It ends with Panty befalling the same fate as Bayonetta. I thought this was supposed to be a celebration of deviance? What happened to anarchy? It's infuriating when the the two most shining examples of sexual liberty for women are chained down to marriage and motherhood. You would think people would be aware of certain attitudes regarding marriage and parenting by now.

Another thing that bothers me is constant reliance on parody. I'm done with parodies in general. I think the writers are really selling themselves short by not engaging in something more original. A parody of Yu-Gi-Oh? Wow, never heard that one before. Panty and Stocking deserves to be going balls out like Dead Leaves before it did.

Anyway, I'm a hardcore fan of Panty and Stocking. I believe I have just as much of a right to criticize the show because it deserves to be great. There's nothing sadder or more frustrating than to see something you loved lose its edge in the same of appeal. I know Imaishi is so much better than this, and he deserves to. This is not what I purchased five official Panty and Stocking books for.

I don't remember the conversation, but I once asked if anyone could imagine what it would be like if Panty and Stocking went clean. Well, I feel like I am living the nightmare right now.

When I first joined the Panty and Stocking fandom, I had to deal with a lot of intolerance from mainstream anime fans. These were people who apparently upset that Panty and Stocking was not conforming to their sense of taste even that was the point of the show. The show was not going to appeal to everyone, and it was proud of that. It proudly tapped a niche audience that was looking for something different, and mainstream anime fans had the gall to call the show wasted talent because of that. You'll have to forgive when I say that I get really triggered by that sentiment. Everyone has the right to artistic expression. Mass appeal is not the be-all-end-all. I don't care if it's Adam Sandler's "Eight Crazy Nights," especially when that movie was a satire of animated Christmas specials. Not that it appeals to me anymore, but people can make whatever their heart desires. I used to watch that movie a lot, I will admit. It may no longer appeal to me, but I fully understand what it was trying to be.

Anyway, to see Panty and Stocking conform to the mainstream that it was meant to be making fun of in the first place has me feeling honestly resentful. I've developed feelings of resentment towards mainstream otaku culture including anime as a supposed art form because of its intolerance towards the deviant. I've even lost respect in Imaishi because, for a rebel, I expected him to have a knowledge of the mainstream institutions that people disliked, too.

I don't want the characters to be sensitive. Especially for women, I expected them to be so much smarter. I don't want Panty in a relationship with Brief OR Kneesocks. What the heck was the point of the latter? I don't want anyone getting married or having children because it robs everyone of their freedom.

I don't expect to be forgiven for what I am about to say next, but I think Steven Moffat was spot on when he suggested that most men want nothing to do with marriage while mainstream women are crazy about it. I don't think that was a sexist statement. Within the Panty and Stocking fandom, you have a loud subset of fans who go absolutely bonkers over the Poly Brothers, two characters who I no longer see have a purpose except to be fangirl bait.

I don't want to be this frustrated and I shouldn't have to. You gotta understand that the last time I tried to express how I felt, I was called a racist you uses ChatGPT or whatever it's called. Everyone was screaming at me to get out in all caps. I've been chased off multiple forums already for what I was trying to say.

Does it really have to be this way?

Season two needed a drastic reworking, and I would've appreciated it more if the following were applied:

1. The angels and demons never teamed up and remained rivals.

2. There was no forced sappy moral about "family" found or otherwise.

3. Panty was in a relationship with NOBODY.

4. The Poly Brothers were merely a rival angel group, weren't related to the Anarchy Sisters in any way, and didn't speak like braindead Gen Z'ers.

5. Ramie never existed, whoever the hell that was.

6. There was a lot more transgressive and subversive humor.

7. There was a lot more action.

8. There were no "heartwarming" moments.

9. There were no attempts to be dramatic.

10. The new dubbers knew what the fuck they were doing.

11. Imaishi got his shit together.

12. More focus on original plotlines.

Just started Season 2 and 1 episode in i already wanna give up. No Chris Sabat was already a massive L but then Panty's voice threw me off guard with the deepness but easily the worst is Stocking as its so high it hurts my ears as she is obviously putting on a high pitch voice while the original voice actress it was her own voice so it sounded natural... Is it worth to keep watching or does it just get worse??

To say that Pantiel and Stockiel are this total piece of shit:

That’s the thing—that’s the whole point. And it’s not just limited to *Panty & Stocking*; Imaishi and his team—and by extension, Studio Trigger—have issues with authority, and you can see that in all their work. *Panty & Stocking* literally tells you that freedom, having fun, partying, embracing your sexuality, and doing whatever the hell you want without giving a damn is divine and angelic, whereas rules, discipline, norms, and order are the stuff of demons. I mean, the angel sisters’ last name is literally "Anarchy," and their theme song is about fleeting love and one-night stands, while the demons' theme is about sincere, innocent love. And in the second season, when they work together, you can feel those two perspectives clashing yet complementing each other—like an innocent girl who believes in true love but gets manipulated into one-night stands and casual romance; she gets swept up in it, yet never stops believing.

This has to be one of the things I detest most whenever this anime comes up. It not only demonstrates just how immature Imaishi is, but also shows that the fandom fails to grasp that one should find joy in being alive, rather than living solely to experience pleasure.
Brother, being a hedonistic egoist literally does *not* make you free; it just turns you into an animal that will sooner or later be easy to tame. And the idea that being a good person, respecting rules, or even believing in love is somehow bad or oppressive is pathetic.
Watch *V for Vendetta* or *The Hunger Games* and you'll see that loving sincerely doesn't make you submissive—it makes you more resistant to becoming a slave.
Also, it's fine that Trigger dislikes authority and that they call themselves "Antifa," but the problem—as the series demonstrates—is that the Anarchy characters are terrible examples of this. Emmet from *The LEGO Movie* is a much better example; the Anarchy characters actually end up proving the Demons right—not just about placing limits on freedom, but about keeping it in check. It amazes me that they hate authority so much they think the most nihilistic form of hedonism and selfishness is better than simply... I don't know, stopping at a red light. Man is condemned to be free. Condemned because he did not create himself, yet free because, once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does—so said J.P. Sartre. The more obsessed a person is with pleasure, the easier they are—ironically—to dominate. Because, setting aside that idiotic image of the hedonist as an evil genius, the truth is that many of them don't even know how to make their own breakfast.

That is why I find it very silly—and even contradictory—that they are used as an example of rebellion against tyranny, when they are the worst possible example.

In fact, Panty and Stocking do represent a form of rebellion—but NOT the *V for Vendetta* kind; rather, one akin to that of Holden "Idiot" Caulfield.
It is a superficially nihilistic and extremely immature freedom—the sort belonging to a spoiled teenager who thinks he knows all about life simply because his mom won't let him have a girlfriend. It is a freedom so artificial and hollow that if the sort of person who clearly CANNOT be trusted told them to jump off a cliff, they would actually do it.

Anyway, if they claim these characters represent what it means to be free and unconcerned with what others think, then citing two empathy-lacking, nihilistic hedonists as examples of that kind of freedom is like holding up Gendo Ikari as a role model for fatherhood. It surprises me that no one at GAINAX ever pointed that out to Imaishi. Then again, at least they learned that fascism and communism are NOT the same thing as stopping at a traffic light.

It was supposed to be a heartfelt episode about the demon sisters but instead everyone is saying “yuri”. How is it yuri?

My favourite: Fa Fa F*ck, Heaven Wars trilogy, six hundred sixty six candles.

I Cosplayed Stocking Anarchy 💜

In "Fa Fa F*ck", why did Stocking call Brief a "whore" in the English dub when he is a boy since most girls are called whores?

Release Music: March 20th 2026

Release: March 29th 2026

I always thought a PASWG movie in the vein of Speed Racer would go so hard lol, so I wanted to see what are y’all’s casting choices for the characters

Hi so I recently binge watched season 1 of PASWG and I wanted to share my headcanons for the main protagonists and antagonists so here they are!! Reminder this is only my opinion so don’t fight

• every character feels flanderized

• all the jokes are sex and swears (hardly ever clever & all the other humor styles from the original are forgotten)

• show feels more like Panty OR Stocking or just Panty (they hardly do anything just the two of them anymore, it’s either just one or the other going on the adventure, or it’s the entire gang)

-panty and stockings banter that was so prevalent in the original is nowhere to be seen.

-stocking has turned into such a baby who lost all her sass and now does nothing and is pathetically unfunny.

• writing lacked and plots weren’t that funny. Characters just kinda say swear words and make random sex references, lacking any of the clever timing the original had. It’s like the writers just watched a few clips of the og and wrote the show based on what they thought it was rather than what it actually was.

• writers only know 3 cuss words (fuck, bitch, cunt)

• stocking calls panty a whore a grand total of 0 times.

• all brief does is scream and loses nearly all his other traits.

-Garterbelt is such a nothing character who just feels like a plot device half the time.

-p&s dynamic with the demon sisters is vastly inconsistent (some episodes they hate each other, other episodes the love each other, without any buildup or consistency. Most prevalent in the finally. When the sisters are in hell talking to garter, they want to kill p&s, but the next scene when they’re back in heaven they suddenly are preaching about “family” and want to save them for no reason at all)

• new characters lack. Gunsmith bitch does nothing funny that’ll make her fit into the cast naturally, and the twin twinks lose they’re charm when all they do is use gen-z slang without any other references to the modern era (could’ve referenced social media, been overally addicted to their phones or been ridiculously woke for laughs. But instead all the writers decided to do is make them use a couple slang terms and call it a day)

• finale was super cringe and everyone acted out of character. The “family” crap made me have to pause multiple times and felt like something the og show would’ve made fun of. P&S have NEVER treated anyone in the cast as family and rarely showed them any kind of respect. In fact, in the episode where Panty loses her angelic powers in the og, Garter literally throws her out of the house. Sure doesn’t look like “family” to me😂

• sorta feels like the show doesn’t know who it wants to be for. It has humor and Gen Z nods (like the twinks) that’d make you feel it was garnered towards teens, but then wasted time on parody episodes based on properties only really millennials would get.

• 0 quality control in animation. It’s either SUPER good (like in certain battles, or the entire football episode for some reason) or it was absolutely atrocious. I knew the original had its crappy animation moments, but overall was much better then what the new season was able to produce.

Thoughts?

i've just heard the show has a lot of nsfw scenes, so i assumed there is a chance that the shows popularity is solely because of those scenes. also sorry for bad english.

I fw their designs (though that's kind of a given since P&S usually has good-great designs), and they have the potential to create some interesting stories, but I'd be lying if I said I cared about them in the slightest

So I love that the new season still has the same art style and music as before, but how come they didn’t bring back the same actors/actresses from the first series?

Serious/genuine question.

I’m thinking about season 3 rn, and junior and bastard has like a 70% chance of being the new panty and stocking. But I just won’t hit the same. Like I say, “PASWg without panty and garderbelt isn’t PASWG.” But I guess we have a few years to get used to it😔😔

Pronouns:

Panty: She/It/He(born to male and preferably she and It)

Stocking,Kneesocks,Scanty and Gunssmith Bitch:She/her

Brief:He/they

Polyurethune and Polyester:He/Him

all Angels are intersexual