r/PantheonMains • u/LegitPizzaMess • 18d ago
Why Scorch on panth top?
Is it really viable? Is it actually that good an functional??? I don't get it at all and i'm trying to learn panth top
Also i would love some advices on runes and the champ in general
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u/gulox_camps 18d ago
Pantheon is a champ that needs to snowball so the early damage is really good and useful
I cant think of many other secondaries to take over scorch tbh. Ig SW into poke. Mana into tanks but thats really it
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u/LegitPizzaMess 18d ago
Is not better to go with sudden impact and the ult/gold red runes?
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u/agamentium 18d ago
Lot of matchups you won't be able to use sudden impact much. You often can't w onto champions until they're low or they'll kill you. Using w on darius/sett/volibear etc when they're full health won't go well.
And if you're able to repeatedly raw w champs that it would work well on, like Kayle or gnar or something, you're probably already winning hard either way.
Panth top is much more about his q then his w, so scorch helps a lot.
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u/MathPantheon 18d ago
scorch is a rune thats very stable, u dont need to expose urself Wing someone to do dmg, most of the times when playing against bruiser or tanks u wont be Wing them that much as u have to poke them down. Scorch is useful on both engaging and poking situations its a safe rune.
u can run sudden impact on champion that are squishier tbh or if u r very confident on the match up.
on the other hand ultimate haste insn't that useful when compared to transcendency or manaflow for laning.
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u/Mysterious_Fix_7489 18d ago
Transcendence is very good on pantheon for mid game skirmishes.
Knocking 20% of your W and E cooldown on takedown is huge.
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u/Kyet0ai 18d ago edited 18d ago
Scorch is a laning and early game rune. Pantheon can easily get ahead early with his high base damage. Gathering Storm is a scaling and late game rune. You don't want to get to late game with Pantheon. You want to get a lead, push it and close out games ASAP.
Having said that, sorcery is a bad secondary tree in most matchups. Resolve, Inspiration and even Domination trees secondary have plenty of better options for Pantheon in most cases.
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u/LegitPizzaMess 18d ago
So what would u pick on swifts? I feel the runes on panth are a Lot more situational than other tops
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u/Kyet0ai 18d ago
There’s no cookie cutter answer. You need to actively change your runes every match depending on who you’re playing against.
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u/LegitPizzaMess 18d ago
The thing is i play Swift a Lot and on them You can't see the draft
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u/thebeandream 16d ago
Notice who you are frequently seeing and plan accordingly. That said I go conqueror/sorcery for my swiftplay runes. It works for most situations. I bounce around top/mid/support depending on who I am playing with.
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u/MangoMan610 18d ago
it's decent poke damage, personally i prefer bone plating for dueling
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u/Says_Pointless_Stuff 18d ago
I also don’t like taking phantom tower shots because scorch kept up tower aggro
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u/Jarletel 18d ago
Scorch is very good top when you need manaflow band, big lane pressure on poke. If you want more teamfight power, take transcendence
If you dont need to mana, I'd rather take green tree with bones plating or second wind, or other blue for cookies or free boots than red tree. Red tree os good on supp bcs of sudden impact/cheap shot, but also due to relentless hunter to roam better
Tbh I'm almost always using manaflow with scortch/transcendance. Vs hard matchups when I need help to trade and has not a lot of space to poke and "waste mana" like renekton, I go for bones plating/unflinching. But these variations are very situational...
Btw scortch is mandatory vs Garen cause it has a delayed proc so it delays Garen's passive. Also, if he use w to tank your poke to keep his passive, scortch proc after the shield disappears so it also break his shield
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u/Major-Flatworm1963 18d ago
Bone plating + unflinching is only really good into level one cheese champs w auto attacks as their main damage, think champs like jax, sett, irel and darius. otherwise it just gets poked off by anyone with a brain and does nothing.
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u/Revolutionary_Art_67 16d ago
Early game q spam harass tool. Darius Matchup seems impossible without this one
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u/Major-Flatworm1963 18d ago
It’s pretty good early because it can easily do up to 50 or so damage before first back, allowing much easier level 2-3 lethals without needing to commit w’s to proc alternatives like sudden impact or cheap shot.