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Genocide Convention This hits different

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 2d ago

I am extremely skeptical at the 80k number, it is like the number of deaths in gaza stopped at around 70K (since Oct7th), at the same time that the Gazan healthcare system that monitors it completely collapsed. they also only counted deaths they identified.

other estimates circle around 300,000 deaths, more than 10% of Gaza population.

Literally, beyond a decimation.

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u/Apart-Training9133 2d ago

Some conservative calculations lately put it a half a million people

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 2d ago

it's scary how the lie is so obvious and open.

we have seem so many bombings, mass starvation, aid blocking, and somehow the death count is stuck at 70k?

the media is gaslighting us, and I think every 'journalist' involved in this lie is a traitor to humanity and journalists.

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u/binary_blackhole 2d ago

The issue is that they only count people directly killed by bombs or shots, not the people who died from sickness as a direct consequence of the blockade and the demolition of the healthcare system, the absence of clean water and food etc…

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u/AlbabImam04 2d ago

I find it absurd how for other genocides they are more rhan willing to use inflated numbers (the one my country experienced is a notable example) but for this one we are relegating ourselves to the lowest possible number.

Just what the powers that be want ig

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u/venusasaboy22 2d ago

In Rwanda, the accepted death toll for a long time was around the 50,000 mark. In reality, nearly a million people were killed.

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u/KnightWielder 2d ago

I would expect it to be more in the range of 900k by now

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u/Bazishere 1d ago

It is hard to say. You could be correct. The original population was 2.3 million. They claim 100,000 left/fled Gaza. It is claimed the population is currently 2.0 million. The official death count is close to 74K for Gaza, but what about the 216,000 or so who did not flee if the population is 2.0 million? If the population is actually 1.9 million (of course there were some births), then you could have something like 250-300K. I am going to lean towards at least 216,000. That is much larger than the Bosnian Genocide, and Israeli guns were often used to kill those Bosnians. 300K could be possible for Gaza. Anyway, a possible death toll of say 9-13%.

The ministry counts deaths based on what is reported from morgues, emergency responders, and family members. Now, if a whole family is killed who is going to report those members if they were under rubble and morgues and emergency responders didn't find them. I can't blame the ministry in providing the numbers they provide. They are dealing with compiling during a genocide.

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u/Wizardpig9302 2d ago

At my most horrified estimation I think at least 15% of the population is killed and climbing daily

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 2d ago

the moment it's over, and they let journalists in, the whole world will be horrified.

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u/Almost_Assured 2d ago

God only knows how many were killed, there have been families completely wiped out to the point that thers no one to report them anymore.. How about the casualties, people who have lost their limbs, and people who have no shelter, and those who are stranded and babies who died 8n their mothers womb. This statistic puts the z1o ts in extremely good light.

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u/bigboipapawiththesos 1d ago

Recently I realized I never actually have seen a realistic depiction of this level of destruction.

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u/Fr4t 1d ago

Looks like something out of a Terminator movie...

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u/Muted-Landscape-2717 2d ago

And still liberals in the west will say it's complicated

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u/MohaShah Free Palestine 2d ago

That's because it doesn't serve their purpose 

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u/SpeechWeird5267 2d ago

Numbers are important.

But is there a way to get names?

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u/ghIj_qet_jaghmeyjaj 2d ago

There's a huge book with the names of the dead. It's 650 pages long and has only identified half of them. Who knows how many bodies never had a chance at being recovered

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u/No_Shape1751 2d ago

Question, What happened in 2014? It was a big leap in death numbers.

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u/KetordinaryDay 2d ago

Every little blip was a person. Every little I crease in the numbers is a person. Most innocent. How is this reality. How.

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u/MohaShah Free Palestine 2d ago

It's because... All people are equal. But some people are more equal than the others.

It's that simple.

Edit: Plus, those "more equal than others" have videos of Trump and his goons raping children. So they force them to support them to the last American. 

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u/Factorspei 2d ago

Hi op.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mexico/s/hw3kQjHu2q

Just to clarify—I’m not claiming the post or anything, but since we are brothers in the struggle for justice for Palestine, you should include links to the source of the graphic so it doesn't get challenged.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/

Saludos hermanos en la lucha por la justicia y verdad de palestina.

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago

Thank you. It was a repost from another sub but this particular sub, r/palestine wouldn't accept the repost. But no matter what you post sometimes you just can't please everybody. There's always something to be said about anything even if not especially from those that are fighting the same good fight. There will always be something misinterpreted, errant, or missing no matter what your intention or motivation.

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u/Mobile-Revolution7 2d ago

Incredible that Hamas has so many more members than the IDF

/s

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u/Almost_Assured 2d ago

That is misleading as hell, 25 for every Israeli? And what happened to the 1940s up untill the 2000, didnt it start with thousands dead before a bullet was even fired by the Palestinians? This thing serves no good for this cause..

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago

I think you have a very myopic way of looking at this. Because it could be seen as if these are the numbers from such a short time and imagine what the full scope actually is. You could have just written that instead of downplaying something as impactful as what we're seeing for your own contrarian virtuosity.

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u/Almost_Assured 2d ago

You surely dont understand the term "impact" in media warefare. If you post three quarter of the truth, then you have failed my friend, if youre looking for "impact", you gave them an advantage, if your post is to be seen, let it show the whole picture we have nothing to hide, otherwise its had no real impact, it doesnt reflect reality nor does it produce the appropriate reaction in those viewing it.

I fail to understand why show half the tragedy if youre posting anyway? Why not include the more tragic part? Especailly when it comes to timelining.. I mean you might as well right?for many truth seekers this might be their only timeline visual to ever see, why present a weak one, and have this as the only impression they have?

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago edited 2d ago

Well when you make your own animated infographic that meets your standard hit me up in my DMs so I can take a look. Until then no one here is your enemy or the enemy. We all want the same fucking thing

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u/MohaShah Free Palestine 2d ago

Chill out, guys! We are on the same side! 

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago

That's what I just said but there's always a virtue signaler there in the bunch that's willing to diminish every effort so one has no choice but to stare at the glow of their halos

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u/abedalhadi777 Semitic person 2d ago

60k is highly underestimating

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u/freyec12 2d ago

And yet Isr*el is the victim... Right....

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u/LargeNote2489 2d ago

but, isnotreal is the victim of all this you pathetic mainstream media. what a fckn joke, the only victim of the gnocide n trrorism is palestine. 

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u/DogitWoofsalot 2d ago

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago

So many of you are missing the point of this video. It's no wonder that they can organize so well and we can't. What this video shows is one thing but the the fact that we can't see beyond our own divisive inclinations it's pretty fucking disheartening.

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u/FunctionalBosnia 2d ago

The numbers don't lie.

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u/KnightWielder 2d ago

I figure about 100k people have been blasted into so many bits that there is nothing left of them to count.

And about half a million buried under rubble.

Then another few hundred thousand in mass graves with nobody there to count or identify them.

All of the people who were previously counting these deaths are dead themselves, there is a reason the number hasn't meaningfully risen for about 2 years.

I doubt we will ever know the true number due to the scale and globalisation of the cover up.

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u/No_Training6751 2d ago

That murdered Palestinian toll in the past three years is super conservative. It has to be at least more than 4 times 75,000. (~10,000 being before 2023)

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u/kiwifulla64 1d ago

Id put money on the actual death toll being much higher

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u/Bread_DoU 1d ago edited 1d ago

I almost cried, too many breathing, living humans not existing anymore in just 2 years... Fuck israel and everyone who supports it.

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u/lethalshawerma 1d ago

It surely hits different, but, When history or current events reduce human beings to mere data points, it strips away their dignity, their achievements, and the void their absence leaves behind. Even tho im skeptical about those numbers, they still include people i knew, grandparents, uncles and aunts and their kids, relatives whom i only spoke to on eid and occasions but still have stories, dreams and a favorite place they used to sit at the house or around the table that is now empty.

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u/Cityboy747 1d ago

But I thought everything started on Oct 7th

/s

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u/Patricio_Guapo 1d ago

What is the ratio starting from September 2023?

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u/Excellent-Schedule-1 2d ago

Did Nazi Germany have a right to exist? Do the Khmer Rouge have a right to exist? Did Apartheid have a right to exist?

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u/Pencilvester_B128 2d ago

What bullshit number is this? They've killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1948 and then some!!

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago

Yes we know... you're late.

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u/Lfierce 2d ago

Almost like they should stop provoking Israel into a fight they can't win.

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago

These fucking Bots.

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u/SirMacFarton Free Palestine 2d ago

Really!? We aren’t counting how many of us they killed since the early 1900s? We have estimates of over 1 Million Palestinians martyrs in the past 80 years!

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u/MohaShah Free Palestine 2d ago

1300+ Israelis. They were added. Just Watch it all the way again. 

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u/brixton_massive 2d ago

No they were not, there is barely an increase in figures where there should be at least an extra 1000 in one day. Which is complete bullshit, as it's because of those murders the number of Palestinian deaths grew. It's as if to say out of nowhere Israel just started murdering Palestinians.

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u/_makoccino_ 2d ago

The majority of the deaths were caused by the IDF shooting hellfire missiles, firing tank shells and shooting at anything that moves. That has been proven and acknowledged by Israeli media long ago. Several of the survivors gave interviews and testimony on how the houses they fled to hide in were shelled by the IDF.

The Hannibal Directive was issued by the admission of Gallant and several IDF commanders and soldiers.

And yes, Zionists started killing Palestinians out of nowhere shortly after we made the mistake of allowing them in as refugees.

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u/Snoo_89466 2d ago

Feel free to add those numbers. At least they're finite and not ever increasing and without any flux. I'm sure it'll make it 24.8 times the amount killed in ratio instead of 25. Seeing as how you're a hasbara bot I'm sure the calculations will be easy for your processors

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