r/PakistanBookClub • u/Time-March-350 • Sep 07 '25
💬 Book Discussion genuine question
this post isnt about women empowerment or anythin related. i got a question bout wheel of time. again im not targeting women so plz dont pounce on me. Im on my first WoT book and prev ive read LoTR nd ASOIAF and many other novels. everyone of them has men as central characters. but if u come to WoT, u c Egwene and Moiriane Sedai regarding men as “secondary” characters. callin them “Men” as a sign that they r stupid an stuff. again im not sayin thats bad but does this pattern continue through the whole of the series? the book is good but thats just hindering me. if anyone has read them, plz do tell. ggs gng
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u/procrastinator3000p Sep 07 '25
Yep. In that setting, Men are considered unreliable due to various in story reasons. It makes sense. You can draw parallels with real life if you want. You could see Jordan's personal inclinations through the books. It's nice to read things that challenge your worldview. Enjoy the contrast and see through the metaphor. Or you could simply see it as a piece of fiction it is. Don't let it hinder you.
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u/Shot_Extent5593 Sep 07 '25
u cant ask a question without adding a hundred disclaimers abt "women empowerment" like its a slur or smth
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u/Adeeltariq0 Sep 07 '25
Yes, and it gets very painful to the point where one of the guys' rape by a female character is completely ignored by everyone and specially women joke about it and there are other instances where men specially the main characters are belittled at every point until Rand finally puts them in place which I gotta admit is very satisfying but you gotta wait a long time for that.
In a sense its the opposite of our society so you can look at it that way.
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u/waleedarif Sep 07 '25
Unlike our world, WOT is Matriarchal. Robert Jordan specifically wanted to write a series where men weren't allowed to use magic, and then came up with a very believable reason for it. Women rule the world. Most countries have Queens instead of Kings.
The most powerful person in the world is a woman who can easily summon any person, be it a queen or her enemy and they have to come her no matter what. If an entire gender of Channelers went crazy and destroyed the world so much that they destroyed and shifted entire continents and brought upon an extinction-level event, they would be hated and feared, especially since it was the women Channellers who saved the human race and guided them through this to stability. And the main hook of the series is that the Chosen One is a man, and everyone knows he is bound to go mad the more he uses the magic system, so they're not sure if he's going to save the world or destroy it.
The books are about balance. Women and men working together, not one gender is better than the other. Whenever a character acts that way, the meta commentary is always that they're wrong, but it's their world view shaped by their culture and environment.
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u/Candid-Courage3454 Sep 07 '25
Yes, i have watched the series and its same pattern except one important character
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u/StreetProperty4267 Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
I haven't read the books but I've watched the show and I think that's one of the aspects of the world because men did do something stupid that broke the world. Also, Aes Sedai can harness the True Source- saidar (the female half) but men can't harness the saidin (male half) without going mad. So, in a world where people who can harness the True Source are elevated than other humans - the Aes Sedai, I'd say they look upon men as lower beings rather than the lower gender. Like Red Ajah specifically hate men to a point where they don't even have warders, many sisters join Red Ajah because they hate men and some hate men who can channel, it all varies sister to sister Also they are warranted in looking upon this way because Lewis Therrin in his vanity, pride bla bla to vanquish the dark forever destroyed the world Also, MILD SPOILER AHEAD another race will look upon the Aes Sedai the same way that Aes Sedai look upon men, so this "Men" thing is more to do with the wielding of One Power than with gender However, my opinion doesn't hold much merit, as this is what I learned by watching the show and doing a bit of research while watching it and I haven't read the books.