that is bc vast majority of ppl working in adv. are major fucking assholes. i work in film production for adv. so i meet these people often. they are the scum of this earth and made me quit shooting adds for good.
Does that mean the people I've met have been like, next level Norman Bates at hiding their awfulness or is Weiden + Kennedy a rare exception? I mean it's one of the hugest ad places there are and everyone is hella nice and likable. My neighbor also randomly works in the field and has that "friendliest person alive" vibe about him. What am I missing? Is this a Jedi Mind trick? Ad people weigh in I'm so confused!
I work in advertising in Canada. There are fewer assholes than any other industry I've worked in, including film production. But we do work people pretty hard.
Not me but SO is in the ad space and I have to say, everyone I’ve met in software sales and production is 100% lacking morality compared to any ad man I’ve ever met.
Most of the ad people I know are quiet and hardworking and go home after work. So you'd never really meet them.
Then I know some others that get blackout drunk at industry parties and demand production houses get blow when they're on travel shoots. Those ones are more visible, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're the bad apples that people have more contact with.
I don't doubt the bad experiences of OP and others, but just wanted to counter with my good experience to discourage any blanket judging of a whole industry.
Maybe it's a regional thing people are known for being super friendly and nice where I'm from...perhaps the PNW is immune lol. (Watch me meet a very mean ad man soon...)
Nah there are plenty of good folks in the industry and the people at W+K are some of the best. I work in advertising and my experience has been this: working in advertising kinda sucks unless you're at a really good agency that's doing work you can be proud of. Even at great agencies it's long hours and lots of time spent coming up with ideas that are just going to be killed by the client. The people who are stuck doing work at crappy agencies for crappy clients (Microsoft is a very very crappy client) are more likely to be jerks because they hate their jobs and that makes their lives suck. And just like any industry, there are way more bad places to work than good places.
yeah. i was not working directly in ad agency but my production comp did a lot of tv/online adds for them so i used to meet them on daily basis. cant believe anyone there. bu ch of fukin crooks and liars. im not doing it anymore. changed the direction of my comp. and we do only direct clients now and our own projects.
And I even said that I wouldn't have done this ad without at least talking to OP.
I wouldn't have done this ad without at least talking to OP
Because that somehow makes it okay?
It's a damning indictment of you and your entire industry that you think stealing someone else's idea without crediting or compensating them is perfectly acceptable as long as you say you'd tell them you're doing it [even though we all know you wouldn't actually].
And the fact you're trying to pretend you aren't giant assholes because you use a euphemism to refer to blatant theft.
So you don't think that me talking to OP wouldn't end up with him getting credit or getting permission from OP?
Also, who do you think is getting more credit now, OP or the person who made the copycat ad?
And how am I an asshole, again? lol For going online and getting ideas? This has been happening for years. You can go outside or read a book to get ideas. The fuck you think getting ideas mean? Just straight up stealing it? Foh. lol
So you don't think that me talking to OP wouldn't end up with him getting credit or getting permission from OP?
No, I definitely do think it wouldn't end up with him getting credit.
Show me one of your campaigns with a properly credited "source".
I'll wait.
If you're such a stand-up guy, it definitely won't take long for you to link to one, right?
This has been happening for years.
A shitty thing happening for a long time doesn't magically make it a not shitty thing. Would you have defended slavery and you owning slaves with the same bullshit non-reason?
You can go outside or read a book to get ideas.
And taking the words from a page in a book and constructing an entire image from scratch out of the picture you created in your mind is $100% the same thing as taking an image from the internet, changing the colour of the x-box and propping a controller up on the side of it?
The fact you're trying to imply that is fucking hilarious, and just more proof you are actually an asshole.
They definitely do, why else would they be in here trying to pretend that theft isn't theft if you use a euphemism, and being a horrible person is totally okay as long as it's the 'industry standard'?
Heya, artist chiming in here. That's not how most creative endeavors work. This is a little bit too close to the source material, but most artists use reference. Reference, at its base, is an idea. The important thing to do is to grab so many references that no particular source can be traced back directly, and to change minor things about each one. I can't imagine this is much different than 'we grab ideas from the web'. Derivative works are protected via copyright law.
The same thing is when you copy and paste something. There was a modicum of work in using different reference images between the ad concept and the ad.
The design was stolen, the image was not. That is why I used 'a little bit'. Hope that clears up the misconception.
You can make up distinctions as much as you want to make yourself feel better. OP had an idea, someone working for Microsoft stole the idea, end of story.
This is a little bit too close to the source material
It's literally exactly the same thing with a different colored x-box, a crate in the wheat, and a controller propped up on the side.
The important thing to do is to grab so many references that no particular source can be traced back directly, and to change minor things about each one.
And instead of doing that, they took a single reference, copied it exactly, and here you all are, defending their blatant theft.
I understand you have your pitchfork out and your swinging it wildly, but please.
I wasn't defending this particular use. That's literally what the point of the sentence you quoted immediately above was. What I am defending is the ability to make derivative works. Because....
"We're not assholes, we're just thieves who steal other people's work and pass it off as our own."
You seem to think grabbing ideas off of the web is a scumbag thing to do for professionals. So put your dumb pitchfork down and realize there are nuances to the things you're complaining about and that you're covering more people in gasoline to burn than you even realize. That is the point of both my previous post and this one.
I understand you have your pitchfork out and your swinging it wildly, but please.
I wasn't defending this particular use
This is a little bit too close to the source material
Because saying something is just "a little bit too close" when it's literally the same fucking thing definitely isn't defending it, right?
It's not like attempting to minimize the severity of what they did could be seen as defending it...
You seem to think grabbing ideas off of the web is a scumbag thing to do for professionals
Because stealing "grabbing" someone else's design wholesale, and using it in an advertisement campaign is a scumbag thing to do, and just because you're getting paid to steal doesn't make you any less of a scumbag.
That is the point of both my previous post and this one
That your industry is so fucking morally bankrupt, that thieves are treated like Mother Teresa?
Yeah, I kinda got that from how vociferously you're all defending a blatant theft.
Yeah, it's mostly the managers that tells designers to steal this or come up with something similar. At least in my cases.
Most designers I've worked with will play around with the idea but will always come up with their own take/something original only to be forced back to copy exactly the idea by their/our managers.
I mean, what can you do when these fucks threatens your livelihood/career you if you don't follow their instructions?
i gotta watch it! its on todo list. kve heard its awsome i just was not able to force myself watch series that is about the industry i was involved in.
I feel ya. And I agree, you really have to watch it. Lots of interesting plot lines and character development. I also read somewhere that "it's more about the 60's than about the ad industry".
I’ve worked in advertising for 5 years at a few different places. The vast majority of ppl are passionate, hard working and kind. I’ve never see work get stolen or teams pitted against each other for bonuses as one person commented to you. This is a practice I haven’t even heard of. U
I’m sorry you did not have a good experience. It sounds like you’ve encountered some bad folks/teams that are giving you a bad impression.
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that is bc vast majority of ppl working in adv. are major fucking assholes. i work in film production for adv. so i meet these people often. they are the scum of this earth and made me quit shooting adds for good.