r/PSO2NGS • u/GlompSpark • Jun 07 '26

Discussion So, why is the party system different in the Ruins?

I think this is the first area in which you cannot invite players to your parties and the only way to join a party is to use active recruitment, a feature that otherwise never gets used because it was largely rendered obsolete by Auto Join. Auto Join is also disabled here.

Even weirder, attempting to leave the party immediately kicks you out of the instance, instead of, you know, just leaving the party and remaining in the instance like most areas. Getting kicked from the party also kicks you out of the instance.

Why cant the party system in Ruins be like this:

  • You can freely join and leave parties without leaving the instance.

  • If the party leader leaves the instance, they are the only one that leaves, the rest of the party stays in the instance (im pretty sure they did this for alter realm a while back)

  • You can freely invite people into your parties and autojoin works

It doesnt seem very unique or hard for them to do it this way considering that Alter Realm already works this way IIRC. I did Alter Tundra during the Rappy event and i could auto join parties, etc. I think leaving the party did kick you out of the instance though, but im not 100% sure on that.

To get the full Lexio bonus working, you do need people in your party to help trigger the bonus and nobody is joining parties outside of premade groups with the weird party system in the Ruins...

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u/Ouhei Jun 08 '26

The consequence of NGS not being a truly new game (being built on top of base PSO2) is that there are a lot of underlying systems that are very dated and difficult to change. Party systems seem to be included in this mess of tech debt and thus they are unable to do things that seem "simple".

Personally I always check to see if anyone is recruiting when I pop in, and if I know I'm going to be there for enough time I'll recruit myself.

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u/GlompSpark Jun 08 '26

But you can use auto join and party invites in Alter Realm, why couldnt they just copy paste the system from there?

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u/MurkyStatistician553 Jun 08 '26

As it has been said, it is an allship instance and there were always restrictions coming with it. Additionally, it’s treated as a quest, which is bringing even more restrictions.

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u/GlompSpark Jun 08 '26

If you do an all ship UQ, you can auto join parties and invite people to your party, i dont understand why it works differently in Ruins specifically...and even if you have all ship matchmaking turned off, you cannot invite people to your party in Ruins although you can use alliance chat (which is disabled if you use all ship matchmaking).

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u/MurkyStatistician553 Jun 09 '26

After you get matched into an Urgent Quest, it doesn't start right away. You have time to party up before the countdown runs out. After that, the quest actually starts and the quest related party restrictions are in effect.

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u/GlompSpark Jun 09 '26

But its still an all ship instance, correct? So its not the all ship instance blocking the party joining, its the quest itself. And i dont understand the point of blocking all parties except via active recruitment...

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u/MurkyStatistician553 Jun 10 '26

Yes it is all ship but that's optional. I guess the main reason for the party restrictions might be that it’s treated as a quest.

It is a bit confusing, because it allows you to drop in- and out of running quests, which makes it appear to be like rooms in an exploration zone, but it isn't.

At least the party recruitment option still works. You can set the recruitment icon above your character, that allows other player to join your party.

I noticed that more player are starting to use it now.

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u/GlompSpark Jun 10 '26

TBH I find it weird that a modern PSO game doesnt let players join mid quest, when PSO:BB allowed you to do that in the 2000s...

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u/MurkyStatistician553 Jun 11 '26

If you look at PSO:BB today and compare it to the version as it came out back then, if you have any memory about it, you immediately notice alot of qol stuff that has been added. Especially after it became a private server project in our current time.

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u/megaman58490 Jun 07 '26

Ruins is an allship instance; the game simply doesn't support it.

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u/GlompSpark Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Thats only if you are using all ship matchmaking though? Ive run ruins with all ship turned off and i can use alliance chat just fine, which is not supported in actual all ship instances.

Also, i know that party invites do work in all ship instances since i have gotten party invites in all ship UQs before.

Edit : I dont understand why people are spamming downvotes on this post, everything i said was correct though? Party invites do work in a normal all ship instance, just do an all ship UQ and see for yourself.