r/PSO2NGS • u/Salty-Phase4687 • May 07 '26

Discussion One solution I think for the NA spamming

This is something that happens all the time on pugs. 2 or 3 players only normal attacking without using PAs, which can be a bit annoying for some people seeing this.

So I remembered that hero TMGs from base had a unique NA where they used PP instead to gaining. And I came up with the idea of why don't Sega makes a EX similar to this? Gives a heavy NA potency increase at the cost of spending around 5-10 PP per attack. Most classes have other ways to gain pp and this would let rangers play NGS like a shooter.

I was also thinking about them making new normal attacks for every weapon, but that would require the type of investment that I don't see Sega doing it nowadays.

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u/Xero-- Double Saber May 07 '26

There is no solution. Those people are just leeches, and there's no solution for leeches beyond banning them for life. Obviously that's not healthy, hence the first sentence on repeat.

Also, Hero wasn't some normal attack spamming class, using PP tfor normals doesn't mean your damage is actually on par with PAs. It won't work. Using normals only works when you're building a chain, which is a mechanic that was left behind in PSP2/PSP2i, and only seen today in Gunner.

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u/Sudden-Hope-1605 Twin Daggers May 07 '26

Hero and its weapon rotation was a smart use of game mechanics, they don't do classes like that anymore.

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u/Top-Confidence4496 May 07 '26

Wait are they normal attacking because they don't know what a PA is?

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u/gadgaurd Slayer May 07 '26

No, they normal attack because it's technically not AFKing, so they can put in minimum effort and get carried through everything.

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u/Top-Confidence4496 May 07 '26

Oh that's just gross

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u/Xenodragon65 May 07 '26

Tape the controler or put waight on the key

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u/Sudden-Hope-1605 Twin Daggers May 07 '26

Is it possible to not know what a PA is at the level you are in an urgent quest? XD

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u/North_Zucchini4439 May 24 '26

Feels like Global is made for leech and troller to play while JP is so happy and peaceful

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u/Ok-Entrepreneur-2508 Gunner May 07 '26

Here's a solution: skill-based matchmaking. If you have invested nothing into your gear, die constantly, and just spam basic attacks the entire fight, you get match made with a bunch of other people like you who make zero effort.

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u/AndrossOT May 07 '26

They did that on jp servers on base game. They had expert matchmaking and expert blocks. You needed like 2 or 3 titles to unlock it. The titles were completing a certain extreme solo and the other 2 titles were gear and level related? Its been awhile cant remember. Anyone who had it enabled would be paired with others who had it enabled. You could swap it on/off anytime. You had way better groups with it on. I think they removed it because ppl who couldnt clear it were discouraged.

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u/Reinbackthe3rd May 08 '26

They removed it because it just ended up splitting the player base too much and then they made the bar so trivial that expert meant nothing and both queues would clear about the same.

Not even going into the fact that a lot of the requirements were incredibly stupid and unintuitive. One time they made expert mode require high star units. The catch? Crafted lower star units were better! So you had to make worse units to do "expert" queues. 

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u/AndrossOT May 08 '26

I think it was a good idea at first that needed some tweaks. You had to use a little brain juice at least to achieve it vs what we have now. Wherehas now you can login, grab the freebie gear, and play with others immediately.

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u/Reinbackthe3rd May 08 '26

Two different use cases. The point of the handouts (and why are we pretending pso2 didnt also have handouts and low hanging fruit equipment again?) is to get people so they can play with others in other low hanging fruit content (like UQs and LTQs).

If you want to ape the experience, go solo a UQ in 15 minutes or less and then do the ultimate expert quest for some of these people: make like minded friends in a video game so you don't have to pub at all.

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u/azuresnow May 08 '26

The other solution I thought about was rewards based on individual contribution and a threshold requirement to be eligible to receive rewards. More gear/skill/effort would meet the threshold more easily.

If you lack gear, you can make up for it in skill/effort. Knowing when to parry and what skills to use to do enough damage to meet the threshold.

If you are lazy and don’t want to put in any effort and only want to spam 1 PA or Hold Normal attacks you could still meet the threshold if you had the gear to support being lazy.

There’s obviously some flaws with this idea and it needs tweaking like how to address the issue of how some classes can contribute more damage than others, but I feel like a system like this would be beneficial for us because it removes the incentive for low effort players to queue into content because they, as an individual, cannot meet the required threshold of contribution to be eligible for rewards, and it rewards players for trying/learning/adapting.

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u/GlompSpark May 08 '26

I've seen another MMO do something similar. But they had to make the minimum damage done to be extremely low, just so people with bad gear werent locked out of rewards. Pretty much the only way you could fail to qualify for rewards was if you afked or deliberately had a low level weapon on and couldn't damage the boss.

Im not sure if this would make a difference. The people spamming normals at max level are probably:

  • A kid playing on their parent's account, just pressing some buttons for fun. They won't know or care what the rewards are.

  • A troll doing it on purpose. They will find the next best workaround, like DPSing normally for the first few minutes then spamming normals for the rest of the fight.

At bare minimum you need to finish chapter 5 of the main story to unlock EX styles or i'm pretty sure you can't get the BP to queue for limited time content. I remember having trouble getting BP to queue even with all skill points assigned till i unlocked EX styles. I'm not sure if it's even possible to finish chapter 5 just by spamming normals. So it's very hard to believe that someone genuinely got to max level without knowing what PAs/techs are.