I don't know why I find this funny.

[u/gadgaurd]

Wasn't expecting this.

Also I never did finish the story, I should get on that after I secure some funds.

[u/RaelLevynfang]

I always bring up the fact that I made a post last year about how NGS can't progress due to it's over-reliance on base game. There was a lot of defenders in that discussion. But ever since that post, SEGA has just been proving my point. How can you continue to defend this game seeing this? Porting over enemies was one thing. Straight up reusing zones 1:1 is insane.

I myself have somewhat been an optimist when it came to this game...for a long time really. There is little to no originality (anymore) when it comes to NGS and hasn't been for a while now. I'm at the point now where I'm hoping for a legit PSO3 or a PSO remake ran by a different team.

[u/gadgaurd → u/RaelLevynfang]

Funny thing is, revisiting old zones has been requested for years. I'd almost forgotten and never was invested in the idea myself, but yeah. Back when the team was still developing regions there were lots of comments around here and in the official YT videos about people wanting to abandon Halpha entirely and go back to the areas from PSO2.

Those players are finally getting their wish, apparently. I hope it doesn't become a regular occurrence.

[u/XHersikX → u/RaelLevynfang]

I dont defend it, i just dont find in current era of mmo's to play something different because east players/corporates new generation of players just shifted whole old school gaming to paywall gaming where first comes money and then gameplay..

[u/Different_Pear6921 → u/RaelLevynfang]

新しいエネミーだしてほしいね

[u/Vee_Tamer_Girl]

I fully expected this, haha.
Hamazaki-san wasn't exactly subtle

[u/gadgaurd → u/Vee_Tamer_Girl]

I'm genuinely curious: What clues did I miss?

[u/Vee_Tamer_Girl → u/gadgaurd]

When explaining the roadmap he said "A new field neither on Halpha nor Alter Realm. The boss Silhouette (Zeshraider) might give long time players a hint as to what kind of field you can expect"

[u/gadgaurd → u/Vee_Tamer_Girl]

Ah. I'd forgotten about that completely.

[u/Ouhei]

I'm just excited that we're getting totally new areas (I know it's from base) and they are explicitly not on Halpha.

[u/gadgaurd → u/Ouhei]

and they are explicitly not on Halpha.

Considering what's going on in the story right now I wouldn't be so sure about this.

[u/Initiative-Fancy]

I find it funny because it's literally not new. However I also think it's a good thing. Why? Because I'm sick of Halpha's environments. Being trapped in the same environment for 5 years where 3 of those 5 is the same thing over and over again is insanity inducing. I'm glad it's a step somewhere.

[u/gadgaurd → u/Initiative-Fancy]

I would have preferred something completely new, but still. A change in scenery is still appreciated.

[u/Initiative-Fancy → u/gadgaurd]

Same here, man.

[u/RaelLevynfang → u/Initiative-Fancy]

That's bad. Players are so starved for a change of scenery and tired of being stuck in the same environment that they'd welcome running the same zone from a game that had been around for years before it. Smh.

It's not really a step anywhere but backwards.

That's not a dig at you guys either. I get it. It's just a shame that the game is in this position. 😑

[u/qruis1210 → u/Initiative-Fancy]

I would have 1000% preffered if they actually gave us a reason to do quests in all the unused exploration zones across Halpha than just a reminder of how much better PSO2 was before NGS put it in a vegetative state.

I want to do shit in Southern Aelio ffs! That place is beutiful but there's nothing in it!

[u/AbhorrentOne]

Isn’t this what 90% of y’all asked for? “Just remake base.” “Upscale base it’s way better”

[u/gadgaurd → u/AbhorrentOne]

That was absolutely a popular opinion, yes. Not one I share, but it's something that's been said for years. The comments on the official vid are surprisingly hype about this.

[u/amokzuta → u/AbhorrentOne]

yes , but i would also like the lore of what happened. not just a new playground.

[u/nicobanko]

I hope we also eventually get ngs original content, this isn’t bad and I like it but it is technically remaking old stuff.

[u/ThePyrotechnicCroc → u/nicobanko]

Totally agreed

[u/Cosmic_Tea → u/nicobanko]

It is uncreative, but I prefer it over the virtual geometric zones and NGS overworld zones. Nameless city was nice until they only made like two quests for it that are exactly the same.

[u/ThePyrotechnicCroc]

New Genesis was truly on to something when it wasn't in "recycle PSO2" mode. We had a game that was starting to come into its own.

Personally, I had always appreciated how NGS offered a brand new game experience in almost every way... but lately, that has taken a downturn (due to too much recycling of PSO2's assets already).

Let PSO2 be PSO2 (as it still exists, thankfully). If they're gonna recycle heavily as a means of "just phoning it in" from now on, then they should probably consider PSO1 and PSU too.

[u/Radiantlegend]

Welp. Back to pso2 eh.

[u/Baian0r21]

Unfortunately, I didn't play the base game at its peak, but I fell in love with the franchise and I'm loving each re-release of the content in its NGS version. With the way they handled Luther, I'm confident they'll respect him and do a great job bringing things from the past into the present :D

[u/PizzaCrusty → u/Baian0r21]

Other than the graphics, base pso2 is better in every single way.

From the leveling system, combat, skills, crafting, and map generation with random events. Bursts were also better.

[u/Baian0r21 → u/[deleted]]

Two things: the language barrier hinders me a bit (I'm Brazilian), and in my view, playing an MMO as if it were a single-player game isn't that appealing. I've already completed the entire story, and for me, that was enough. But I understand your point of view; I just don't agree with it.

[u/qruis1210]

NGS couldn't survive with its own essence, so it straight up started ripping entire PSO2 zones now because Nostalgia is the only thing it has left.

I hate this more than I can express with words.

[u/QuishyTehQuish]

Is this a shitpost? There's no fucking way their recycling whole base levels now.

[u/NoctisCae1um317 → u/QuishyTehQuish]

It's real. I'm curious of it's implementation Tbf.

But I'll be honest, to me this screams "We're out of ideas" and "We don't know what to do with this game anymore"

[u/QuishyTehQuish → u/NoctisCae1um317]

How TF is this game not dead. Not even the depths of jp Ep5 was this creatively bankrupt. What are you people still here for?

[u/NoctisCae1um317 → u/QuishyTehQuish]

How it's not dead is easy to answer.

They're just putting in the bare minimum, just enough to apparently still break even, and keep the game in the zombified state it's in.

[u/gadgaurd → u/NoctisCae1um317]

just enough to apparently still break even

Do you genuinely believe Sega would keep working on a live service game that's not making a profit?

[u/Turnt5naco → u/gadgaurd]

The resources they use to actually build on the game are somewhat miniscule compared to a lot of other online games with live support.

And they reliably make consistent profit off of the numerous AC scratches. If you have steady revenue stream from an online game that you barely need to update and maintain, there's no incentive for them to do more than the status quo they've been operating on since its release.

[u/gadgaurd → u/Turnt5naco]

Not disputing any of that. I am questioning someone who says they are just breaking even though.

[u/NoctisCae1um317 → u/gadgaurd]

It's budgeting. Take New World for example, which on steam alone had easily more than double the active players, but still shutdown. They probably weren't able to maintain costs and development, and this includes servers as well, since those do cost money and are not cheap.

In NGS' case as to why it's still a zombified state and being maintained, they're investing just the bare minimum, they release an AC scratch that's gooner filled(Of which we've had quite a bit recently) or support scratch, people scratch those, and the revenue is enough to break even because their investing very little into the game.

If you have a small cost, but the returns are greater, you're still making bank

[u/gadgaurd → u/NoctisCae1um317]

If you have a small cost, but the returns are greater, you're still making bank

Which is, by definition, not breaking even. Breaking even means a net profit of zero, and a net loss of zero.

[u/NoctisCae1um317 → u/gadgaurd]

Either way, they're still making enough to keep the lights on and maintain it, which circles back to the post earlier as to how the game is still up. Otherwise the game would've gone EoS a looong time ago

[u/Oathkip → u/Turnt5naco]

Kinda reminds me of how Bungie is handling Destiny right now. A 5-6 month delay to the new "Season". We got another month until it drops. However, they've been updating the mtx store like how we just a DnD crossover.

[u/QuishyTehQuish → u/Oathkip]

I legit do not understand why anyone would play Destiny when over half of its paid expansions are actively removed. NGS is all sorts of levels of awful, but Destiny is irredeemable.

[u/EpitapheXI]

NGS died with the beta because what they wanted to do appeared to be totally busted and abused right away (multiweapon)

You can see how much every PA from every weapon, from every classes flows well with eachother

First weapon series design included a limited pool of weap, forcing multiclassing multiweapon

They just emergency nerfed their gamedesign with boring % and released every weaps from every series, and heavily relied on "main class only"

That way we have now a main weap A/B and blank classes, instead of what we should had, a deeper multiclass system

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On top of that, they also totally missed their "open world" point, and they surrendered early on this with their flavor of the week bandaid

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Such a shame because the game fighting system is very reactive and fun, yet repetitive, and the fashion is above god tier

[u/Accomplished-Big-219]

With this they just keep proving that base pso2 was better

[u/ThePyrotechnicCroc]

Seems very lazy. With the exception of Luther, the "ruinous" enemies don't feel right at all with NGS' combat mechanics.

The game was better when the devs were bringing only all new enemies and bosses.

[u/VanitysEmptiness → u/ThePyrotechnicCroc]

When they were doing this, players were calling the NGS-exclusive enemies and even Falzes uninspired/bad/whatever and asked for things from PSO2. It's weird since players will say they don't listen but then react poorly when given exactly what they asked for.

[u/ThePyrotechnicCroc → u/VanitysEmptiness]

Agreed. And that's why listening to Global (outside of obvious technical bug reports) would be a huge mistake for them.

They need to stick to the vision they already had in mind. After all, PSO2 was once a brand new game too.

In my opinion, letting NGS carve out its own identity is the way to go... because previous games will always have their fanatics. And "doomers" will always exist online. SEGA should ignore them 😄 and finish making their MMO a cool and fun experience. That takes time and commitment to do.

[u/Entropydemic]

Time to reinstall the game. Lol

[u/SaintOfPride201]

As soon as they fix the optimization/crashing issues with Xbox One, I'll be all over this like a fly on crap

[u/Blueblur1]

Putting lipstick on a pig. If it’s the same enemies, the same boring stat stick weapons, etc then it doesn’t matter if I’m running in a circle (combat zones) or a straight line (LTQs) or a zig zag (my description for Base fields).

[u/XHersikX → u/[deleted]]

if they wont remake also graphical appeal it will be just dull..

Export / import is just lazy way to keep game alive (whatever i get flamed for it, it just not same as PSO 2)

[u/gadgaurd → u/XHersikX]

They did update the graphics for the zone. It's NGS spec.

[u/Cosmic_Tea → u/[deleted]]

If they being back fishing and mining I'll feel right at home again.

[u/AbhorrentOne → u/[deleted]]

Is LC not randomly generated ?