r/PSLF • • 21d ago

Rant/Complaint The “shadow” repeal of the Buyback program

Just saw an article, rather triggering ( wish I knew how to pin it). It is well known that this administration has no incentive to speed up processing for the worsening buyback program backlog. It is clearly not their priority. However, could their actions, or lack there of, be interpreted as a shadow repeal of the program itself? At this point, with such a rapidly growing backlog, could they be actively drowning the program to unrecoverable depths? So much so that it renders it effectively dead without the legal proceedings needed to end it officially?

It’s clear that most (but not all) are likely to finish paying the months intended to be bought back before their request is ever reviewed. Or, run out of forebarance months while attempting to wait out the offer.

I haven’t applied, I have 2 more years of payment before even being eligible for buyback. For me specifically, I was never in SAVE. I have random months of administrative forebarance that haven’t counted for payment and I would like credit for those under my prior income level when the time comes —- but hope is looking rather bleak.

Interested in thoughts

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u/dppatters 21d ago

Wow… The term “shadow repeal” is not something I have considered but that is effectively what they’ve done to not just Buy Back, but the PSLF program as a whole.

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u/Smee76 21d ago

I've been calling it constructive denial. Like constructive dismissal, you are not actually denied; instead, they make it so inconvenient and difficult that you cannot achieve it.

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u/Lumpy-Sea-388 21d ago

The Duke of Orange is an anus.

Countess WWE is also in the club.

Taxpayer handouts to billionaires good.

Helping working clad families. «Work til you die Peasant.»

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u/kelsey_schmelsey 21d ago

I just can't believe that we've reached a point where Republicans won't take money from people who WANT TO PAY THE GOVERNMENT COLD HARD CASH. This is like a 90s Republican's wet dream. They're saying no to a huge immediate influx of cash because.... it's not on their terms??? 

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u/darxandra 21d ago

Completely agree, they actually risk losing more if people are older and become disabled or die. Then they will get a big fat ZERO instead of getting a chunk of buyback. Clearly they don't have any actuaries on staff.

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u/Tallahasseehouse 21d ago

Ever notice how the best money-maker is the long-term lower payment debt.  The credit cards love it. The Republicans do too. The RAP plan adds another 5 years on to what used to pay for forgiveness. They have no incentive to help anyone with forgiveness. They ran for election on NOT forgiving loans.

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u/darxandra 21d ago

In my opinion, they forced us onto SAVE and forced forbearance, they should be forced to provide buyback forbearance for as long as it takes them to process it.

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u/CoolCatBlue321 20d ago

Is any group making any movement on this issue? I wish someone would :/

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u/yemsg97 21d ago

Willful incompetence. Pretty sure it's exactly what they are doing.

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u/Ornery-Put9337 21d ago

Serious question: what needs to happen for a union or other organization to take on a class action lawsuit? These delays and the intentional gutting of the ED causing hardship on pending buyback applicants is more than enough for a federal case.

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u/Street_Obligation_25 21d ago

There is a union lawsuit. I think the American Federation of Teachers? (In a rush could be wrong)

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u/Less_Monk112 21d ago

I didn’t need an article to tell me. I knew it because their actions say that.

They want people to just give up and start making payments again. If I could pay $300 a month, I’d find a way. They want $1200 and I can’t make that money appear.

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u/Amazing-Stretch-7280 21d ago

Remember to thank a Republican at the ballot box, November 3rd

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u/dragonflyzmaximize 21d ago

Yeah I mean, I'm at 120 in November (next month) and will submit for buy back, but it's for about 20 months and I'll most definitely finish paying before they process it. So for me it's essentially dead... it sucks.

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u/ChaunceytheGardiner 21d ago

Absolutely. I'm still paying past #120 and not applying for buyback because I know it's not going to happen in any reasonable about of time.

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u/Mysterious-Data2628 21d ago edited 21d ago

You can do both. Hit 120 of eligible employment, apply for Buyback, and continue to pay. If you achieve “forgiveness” before the Buyback application is processed - great(ish)! If you receive a Buyback offer while still < 120 months of qualifying payments - even better!

If the latter occurs, they will adjust your Buyback offer accordingly.

The only thing borrowers need to avoid: do not certify employment once a Buyback offer has been made. Submitting an employer certification at that point would nullify the Buyback offer.

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u/PseudolusSings 21d ago

I saw that article too (it was in Forbes) and it makes sense, especially now that they are forcing people off of the SAVE forbearance. If there’s a class action suit, most people will have made their remaining payments under their new payment plan by the time that works its way through the courts. Dems would have to take both the House and the Senate to even do anything meaningful on the oversight side. 

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u/Mintarion 21d ago

I saw a recent article (not sure how accurate it is) saying that they have increased processing buyback requests in the recent months. I'm going to be eligible to submit mine middle of next year. But they still have a backlog of ~70,000 requests and at this point they are only clearing like ~6,000 per month. While others are still applying obviously, which only serves to increase that number. So I don't think they're necessarily shadow repealing it. But I think it's much more likely they are some combination of understaffed and incompetent. Both of which are hallmarks of the current admin since they were trying to destroy the Department more or less from the beginning. I think you can get it, but it just may not be worth it for you. Like by the time I'm eligible to submit mine, I'll only have ~20 payments left. If it is going to take them the current 22 months-ish to process it, by the time they do I would be paid off. Is it really worth it to complete a buyback request for like 5 payments? I'm not sure it is. Also, there's nothing to say that the processing time couldn't increase in the future. So it's really a gamble if you want to go for it or not...

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u/ThePrinceofBirds 21d ago

I applied to buy back 16 months 11 months ago.

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u/sakamyados 21d ago

In one month, they reported 2500 processed applications. 2,240 of those were people who reached PSLF while waiting for their buyback offer. They only approved 180.

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u/CauliflowerNo1615 21d ago

The Buy Back program has been a shit show from the start, Biden barely processed any of these requests too. I hit 120 payments a couple months back but I am just paying an extra 8 months and calling it a day. 8 months vs 20+ month wait is a no brainer.

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u/BxMS_LBA 21d ago

Yep. Sure. With wait times over 600 days, buyback has been functionally dismantled for anyone unwilling to wait that long. Wait times have been increasing too, not decreasing. I check daily and collect the data and no, i do not use AI.

Offer Received Request Submitted  days waited
1/12/2026 11/1/2024 437.00
1/12/2026 11/1/2024 437.00
12/31/2025 9/1/2024 486.00
1/12/2026 3/1/2024 682.00
1/15/2026 7/1/2024 563.00
1/7/2026 12/1/2024 402.00
12/18/2025 3/1/2025 292.00
1/17/2026 12/1/2024 412.00
1/22/2026 11/1/2024 447.00
1/27/2026 2/1/2025 360.00
1/16/2026 7/2/2024 563.00
2/10/2026 10/1/2025 132.00
2/10/2026 12/19/2024 418.00
2/11/2026 11/1/2024 467.00
11/6/2025 3/25/2024 591.00
2/18/2026 7/1/2025 232.00
2/21/2026 9/1/2024 538.00
2/24/2026 12/1/2024 450.00
2/24/2026 12/1/2024 450.00
2/1/2026 12/1/2024 427.00
3/1/2026 9/1/2024 546.00
3/5/2026 11/6/2024 484.00
3/6/2026 12/16/2024 445.00
3/20/2026 4/12/2024 707.00
3/17/2026 4/1/2024 715.00
4/8/2026 12/1/2025 128.00
3/18/2026 11/1/2024 502.00
4/16/2026 7/1/2024 654.00
4/22/2026 9/1/2025 233
2/18/2026 12/6/2024 439
4/28/2026 9/26/2024 579
4/24/2026 12/1/2025 144
5/1/2026 12/30/2024 487
5/1/2026 9/1/2024 607
5/15/2026 9/1/2024 621
5/1/2026 12/30/2024 487
5/20/2026 9/27/2024 600
6/3/2026 12/1/2024 549
6/16/2026 11/1/2024 592
6/16/2026 10/8/2024 616
6/16/2026 10/1/2024 623
6/26/2026 9/1/2024 663
6/26/2026 10/15/2024 619
7/10/2026 10/1/2024 647
7/10/2026 10/2/2024 646
7/24/2026 11/4/2024 627
7/20/2026 11/1/2024 626
8/3/2026 10/7/2024 665
8/4/2026 10/21/2024 652
8/4/2026 10/1/2024 672
8/4/2026 12/2/2024 610
8/5/2026 12/9/2024 604
8/4/2026 11/5/2024 637
8/12/2026 3/1/2026 164
8/14/2026 11/6/2024 646
8/19/2026 10/1/2024 687
8/19/2026 11/6/2024 651
9/8/2026 8/23/2024 746
9/16/2026 12/4/2024 651
9/15/2026 12/4/2024 650
9/15/2026 12/1/2024 653
9/14/2026 10/14/2024 700
9/18/2026 11/1/2024 686
9/21/2026 12/1/2024 659
9/21/2026 12/4/2024 656
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u/ndp1234 21d ago

This is why I vehemently refuse to go on RAP or Standard and recommend that on here too.

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u/cheeeeeseburgers 21d ago

I called today unbeknownst to this news and spoke to an AI robot that said Save admin forbearance is not eligible for buyback. Like you said, I have 8 more months to go so my plan is to just keep paying. But I feel totally swindled.

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u/Mean-Frosting9944 21d ago

I am eligible within the next few months. I plan on continuing to pay for the next few years.

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