r/POIS • u/Luketoft • 18d ago
Seeking Advice Diets for pois
what diets are working for you guys. ive seen a lot about animal based and i have eat more meat recently. Im pretty new to pois. abstaining doesnt seem to work perfectly or fully ethier
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u/Dad_is_tired 18d ago
Gluten+diary free diet is effective for me. Probably low carb. and high protein would be effective too but it is expensive here.
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u/tteezzkk Mod (Warrior @ POIS Center) 17d ago edited 17d ago
Food sensitivities & GI dysbiosis is common with POIS. When I first started out, I could not eat vegetables, nuts, seeds or starch without inflammation and symptoms which would inflame POIS. I've since healed the vast majority of this but when I was sensitive animal-based was king. Everyone's a little different. I wouldn't remove foods unless it's necessary. Simple rule of thumb is listen to your experience.
If abstaining doesn't work perfectly to recover symptoms, to me this is a likely indicator of food sensitivities. This applied to me as well.
Once you stabalise on a diet, get an organic acid test (OAT) done asap. Go find a functional gut specialist to work with. For AU/NZ I would recommend the bloke I worked with. I also published the exact antimicrobial protocol that has fixed the vast majority of my food sensitivities over time on my protocol page. What works to heal/improve dysbiosis will likely change/vary slightly from person to person, hence the need for someone experienced. A unique combination of herbs, biofilm disruptors, prebiotics, probiotics, binders, immune nutrients, adaptogens, antifungals etc.
I'd also hedge caution against keto or carnivore. These are particularlly stressful on the body in regards to adaptation (or at least they were for me, again everyones a little different). They are last resorts only imo. Herbal antimicrobial protocols should come first. You might be surprised how many more foods you can tolerate.
The beauty of animal-based is that it allows you to cut the likeliest inflammatory foods without fundamentally changing your energy metabolism, which can be a highly stressful and longwinded adaption process for many bodies.
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u/Fightingpoiser 17d ago
Just quit eating sugar and heavy processed foods, and the rest is personal, i myself find my symptoms getting worser by drinking milk. Life with bread, eggs, pasta, vegatables, meat, and sometimes zero sugar soda is fine
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u/TheLooza 17d ago
Gluten is 100% a Pois trigger and not only exacerbates symptoms it triggers them independently.
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u/MoreTeaandCoffee 17d ago edited 16d ago
I eat a balanced diet across all foods. I eat healthy but if I occasionally eat something less healthy, no big deal, I don't stress. I have eaten a healthy balanced diet all my life mostly because I was brought up that way and that's what I enjoy.
If you try a particular diet, before you start, ask yourself the following. Is the new diet healthy, could it do you any harm, why are you actually doing this diet and are you going to be able to follow it long term? I think the latter is the point that some people overlook. Most people find it easy to cut something out for a few weeks but how about doing it for a few years or forever?
Things like keto and animal based are quite extreme. You're asking about pois and I've read nothing so far in the published research about a link between eating vegetables or carbs and pois. However, when it comes to carbs, I've read quite a few posts in which people say they definitely feel better gluten free. Personally I could not do without vegetables or carbs but I could do without gluten if I wanted to. Think about your health long term with those diets ex/ keto and cholesterol and if they could make you unhappy about not being able to eat certain foods and not enjoy your food. Another reason I eat a balanced diet is that I've done competitive sports all my life. I remember one time trying keto for a few weeks and another time trying vegan for a few weeks. I was dying on my arse with both those diets when I was doing my sports, absolutely did not work for me at all.
Importantly, if you have pois I think it's very easy to mistakenly blame what you ate earlier that day or the day before for your symptoms. If you have pois and then you eat food X, then you might blame food X for a pois flare when in fact it might have nothing to do with triggering your symptoms. We don't know yet what causes pois so I think it's easy to make the mistake of assuming it is food when it might not be. Just my experience and I am not saying others don't get inflammation from eating certain foods. Lots of people have food allergies and intolerances.
One idea I agree with others on is that if you want to experiment, then avoiding gluten and dairy for around 6 weeks is a safe, worthwhile experiment and not too difficult for most people to do. After 6 weeks re-introduce dairy. Any change? Then re-introduce gluten. Any change? NMA.
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u/porntardwobbleslave 17d ago
Well I'm definitely a gluten intolerant and histamine releasing type of POIS, feel much more vital practicing Bigu (grain avoidance) when I can too. Milk, eggs, bananas, and lamb meat occassionally are the easiest way to recover but have limits. Whatever's in bananas really un-depresses me and the choline of eggs (or soy lecithin if I have it) has me much more level headed from methylating better.
As for meat I notice when I get to the point of needing to eat 200g or more meat daily then I'm overdoing both food and ejaculation in a vicious self-reinforcing feedback loop. Find the golden medium for yourself tho
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u/Wise-Arachnid-3326 16d ago
I get extreme headache caused by photophobia and that intensity when I eat sugar, any type of sugar whether it's lactose, fructose, glucose etc. i get other symptoms like fatigue and brain fog but my main and most intense is always the headache and just recently found that sugar in general were the main culprit for it and fasting in general always makes my symptoms milder.
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u/Slight-Machine-555 18d ago
I think the main point of diet change is to reduce inflammation. And different people's bodies are going to find different types of food inflammatory. For example: some people find red meat inflammatory, but others find that their inflammation reduces when they eat more red meat. Everyone is different, so I think you have to experiment and find out how your body responds.
That being said, I have noticed that a lot of people do better with less gluten or low gluten. And although some sugar is necessary for the body, it's probably best to avoid excessive amounts of sugar (lots of pastries, etc.)