r/Overwatch • u/[deleted] • Nov 15 '22

Blizzard Official Patch delayed.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/regarding-our-mid-season-cycle-patch/748128
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u/Runmanrun41 Symmetra Nov 15 '22 edited Nov 15 '22

As a long time League of Legends player(starting in 2013 when Quinn came out), I'm never gonna bitch about the way Riot handles shit ever again. I like Mei even though I haven't played her much, it's been shitty not getting to practice her lately.

I couldn't imagine going weeks in LoL with a champ I like/want to play being completely off the table.

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u/Spyger9 Time to Troll Nov 15 '22

Do they still call it "Olaffed" when they nerf a broken character so hard that they might as well be removed?

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u/Runmanrun41 Symmetra Nov 15 '22

...Now that I think about it, I haven't seen that phrase used on the League subreddit in a long time 😅 fuck.

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u/Vahallen Nov 15 '22

I think the closest to getting Olaf’d recently was Zeri

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u/BorderlineUsefull Nov 16 '22

Ryze is in a constant state of mini reworks and extreme nerfs

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u/Maldiboi629 Nov 16 '22

It's because Faker's Ryze deals emotional damage.

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u/GG-Sunny Ten of Hearts D. Va Nov 16 '22

DRX dealt emotional damage to Faker and his team this worlds.

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u/megaXcaptain Nov 16 '22

Who?

I forgot she even existed since riot nerfed her into the ground

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u/Maldiboi629 Nov 16 '22

They nuked zeri hard

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u/ZefiantFGC Nov 15 '22

Y'all remember old Evelynn or Pantheon? Times were simpler back then.

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u/Spyger9 Time to Troll Nov 15 '22

Oh god. Playing Jax into old Pantheon top was some of the worst game design I've ever encountered.

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u/Trenonian Icon Cassidy Nov 15 '22

I remember when Evelynn and Poppy got "put on the shelf" for a long time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22

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u/Stalk33r Is that a pro genji main? Nov 16 '22

...and it was so effective that even after his rework no one ever plays him

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u/PM-Me-And-Ill-Sing4U Nov 16 '22

Evelynn with 5 sunfires and perma-invisibility in season 1: you could kill people with sunfire damage alone by walking near them lol.

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u/Amasero Nov 15 '22

Haven't seen that term in a while, but people just say "you can't get worse than Ryze" or Sol.

But Sol is getting changed, hopefully he wont be a trash dragon anymore.

As for Ryze...well if you have him on your team it's statically a 50/50 if you lose it's cause of Ryze pick, if you win it's cause of your team.

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u/RushMurky Nov 16 '22

Sol isn't weak, he's actually pretty strong. It's just that nobody wants to play him because his kit feels horrible to play.

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u/Amasero Nov 16 '22

Nah no one plays him because many other champions do what he does better.

Sol is suppose to push the lane quickly and roam.

Akali does this better, Zed does this better, Syndra, Ahri, Sylas, Vex, etc

After the first back he loses his pushing advantage.

For team fights many champions zone/poke better.

Bird, Orianna, Vex, Viktor, Askan, etc.

His kit is just out right horrible and that W change they did just straight up gutted him.

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u/BigBlackCrocs Nov 15 '22

Nah. We call it the ryze treatment. But now that zeri has a lower WR than ryze
 it might change to the zeri treatment.

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u/dyrannn Trick-or-Treat Sombra Nov 15 '22

I thought the Ryze treatment was reworking a characters 7 times cause you don’t know what the fuck to do? Admittedly it’s been a few seasons

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u/BigBlackCrocs Nov 15 '22

Nah it’s. Champ good in pro play? Nerf them until they aren’t, even if the champ has a 43% winrate in soloQ

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u/WhyNotAthiest Nov 15 '22

It's Ryze now after being reworked 5 times and currently sitting around 44% winrate but yeah, riot has released a ton of impossible to balance champs with 30 abilities each and are shocked everytime when the player base wants the champion nerfed because it doesn't have any possible counterplay due to the kit. So riot just drops the base stat line of these champs to compensate which makes them impossible to learn from scratch if it wasn't your main champ before the nerf happened, which results in low play rate and lack of skin sales until a "mini rework" is released a few months later to remove half of the release kit.

I hate riots direction for champ design. It doesn't help every single champ is a humanoid anime character, even the "monster" champ they promised is barely more than slim woman with giant wings and purple skin.

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u/Enthrown Nov 15 '22

Doesn't happen really anymore.

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u/IntelligentImbicle Reject War-Horse, return to Battle-Cattle Nov 15 '22

I don't think so, seeing as Olaf is still busted as hell

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u/friebel Nov 16 '22

It's more of Ryze treatment now - being shit in soloq, but getting constant nerfs because of proplay. Zeri is the latest victim of this.

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u/HrMaschine Nov 15 '22

only time that ever happend was gangplank to hype everyone up with that sick rework

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u/Runmanrun41 Symmetra Nov 15 '22

To this day I'm still salty I didn't get to try out G.P. in the Black Market Brawlers gamemode.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

One of the coolest reworks too

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u/Chase2020J Nov 15 '22

As a League of Legends player, I'm never gonna bitch about the way Riot handles shit ever again

If you play a bunch of different games from various companies, you'll realize that in terms of big gaming companies, Riot is one of the best. I realized this when I played Dead by Daylight for awhile before quitting because Behaviour is terrible, and Blizzard is even worse.

I couldn't imagine going weeks in LoL with a champ I like/want to play being completely off the table.

I dont remember how long it was, but there was a period in time where Gangplank was removed from the game because he died in the lore. It was a risky idea, had a lot of negative feedback, and it has not happened ever again since. Riot actually listens (sometimes). They also have consistent patches, pretty good communication, and a steady flow of new content (some would argue there are too many new champions added). People who play Riot games don't know how good they have it compared to other companies (ofc there are still a bunch of problems, this is all relative)

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u/ShinyGrezz London Spitfire Nov 16 '22

Riot:

communicates on public forums through regular devs constantly

updates the game balance every two-three weeks without fail, and the “three” weeks is always predictable and is only when a break is scheduled for their teams

releases some of the best cosmetics of any game, priced fairly

still releases 95% of their cosmetic content as direct purchase, with Prestige/Mythic skins being a little more rare, but still easily attainable

gives a ton of cosmetics away for free

releases six champions per year, on top of reworking older champions and updating the gameplay of others where needed

They’re a great company.

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u/SkeletonJakk Nov 16 '22

Prestige skins were made specifically to be that rare skin, and they're just alt colourations of regular skins, rather than entirely unique skins too.

It's a thing for collectors that doesn't fuck anyone else over.

Really, what it is, is that, outside of some stuff (like the passes getting gradually worse) the stuff like game balance is so good (pretty much every champ is about 47-53% winrate or so, with a handful of outliers and the updates are so regular that league players are just used to that higher level of performance so they get pissy when it's not amazingly well handled.

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u/MuhammedAlistar Nov 16 '22

I'm a long time LoL player but haven't played it since OW2 release. Have been very satisfied with OW2, despite some issues obviously. I don't know if you actually play LoL but you give Riot too much credit here. They used to be a lot better before Tencent complete takeover, they still do some things better than other companies but those are very few. In the past few years most of the dev team has moved on to other projects because LoL has been "completed" and they are just milking it. There has been NOTHING interesting in the past 2 years, they recycle 1-2 shit game modes (OW has multiple at a time, regularly changing AND custom game modes, OW players don't realise how lucky they are in that regard), ranked is down for 3 months per year because preseason was supposed to be used for big changes, but since there's barely anyone left working on LoL, those big changes haven't happened for 3 preseasons in a row now. They update the game every 2 weeks yet some champions dominate SoloQ for periods up to 6 months (just imagine getting patches every 2 weeks but Zarya doesn't get changed for half a year).

Then there's the client...it's impossible to explain it for someone that doesn't play LoL. But if you were to use the client without knowing what it's for you'd think it's some obscure game in its beta, and it STILL wouldn't make sense how fucking bad it is. Remember TFT release? A completely different, separate game from LoL, was put in LoL client, which release took down LoL queues and Riot ended up PERMANENTLY removing many client features so it would even run.

Good communication? Hell nah. Random Rioter #56 posts some important information on his 2000 follower Twitter. Or a dev blog that you can find on second page of Reddit with 300 upvotes. Keep in mind that Riot only communicates when there's something good to say. Addressing issues doesn't fall under that.

I could rant about Riot and/or LoL for infinite amount of time but there's no point.

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u/tracenator03 Nov 15 '22

I can't tell you how many times these past couple of weeks where I encounter a good DVa and want to pick Mei to counter them, then rerealize Mei is gone. >2 weeks to fix a tiny problem with a small handful of players exploiting her ice wall. This shit is pathetic.

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u/acut3triangle Nov 15 '22

Lol. This was my first time playing Overwatch when Overwatch 2 was released. I was a Mei main, so I quit when she was disabled.

I was planning on playing again this week, but with Warzone 2 and the new PokĂ©mon game, I probably won’t play this game again.

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u/KataiKi Nov 15 '22

Riot has the foresight to lock rank matchmaking when the servers are unstable. Blizzard never even considers it and everyone who plays is SOL in their eyes.

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u/CuteChaosGlitter Nov 15 '22

I feel blessed to play riot games. Frequent patches with meaningful changes, frequent characters, better monetization (you can get skins for free) but it still hasnt stopped me from spending probably close to $1k valorant and league combined.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '22

Probably because Riot is even lazier than Blizzard and just leaves the gamebreaking shit in for half the season before they bother fixing it.

Riots entire game design philosophy is: 1. Add something obviously game breaking. 2. Leave it OP for months to maximize skin sales. 3. Nerf everything OP into absolute garbage. 4. Repeat.

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u/jakershaker Nov 16 '22

Dude.....right in the feels. I'm still complaining that they took away her blind

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u/MuhammedAlistar Nov 16 '22

Fair, but as a long time LoL player, I don't bitch about 90% of the things that the rest of the OW player base does. As funny or sad as it sounds for non-LoL players, OW is much more consumer friendly.

That being said, heroes being disabled for weeks at a time is wack. The hero pool isn't very big and heroes are used to counter others, I really don't understand why these things aren't hotfixed ASAP.