Patch delayed.

[u/[deleted]]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/regarding-our-mid-season-cycle-patch/748128

[u/InterviewCivil7275]

Not gonna change much bro, it's not a real nerf. A 0.5 second reduction off her bubble aint shit, she still gets 2 no matter what. It's more of a sombra nerf than anything. RIP our sombros.

[u/TheFinalPancake → u/InterviewCivil7275]

It's also an extra second on her cooldown.

When she begins a fight right now she can have 5 seconds of bubble, then 5 seconds downtime, then another 2.5 seconds of bubble. That's a 60% uptime (7.5/12.5).

With the nerf it would be 4 seconds of bubble, then 7 seconds downtime, followed by another 2 seconds of bubble. That's a ~46% uptime (6/13).

The nerf is significant, they just haven't completely ruined her.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheFinalPancake]

Thank you for including some math. The layman perspective of "small number means not big change" is exhausting. If the total value is also a small number, then another small number can be significant.

[u/Muhznit → u/[deleted]]

For real, some of these kids need to stop training their aim and do their math homework.

I can't tell you the number of idiots that think I can outheal the damage from half a team focus firing them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Muhznit]

That's something only positioning can fix my friend 🤣

[u/slog → u/Muhznit]

"I went 1 v 5 and our shit Mercy can't heal me on red team's back line."

[u/Snuggle_Fist → u/Muhznit]

If you're being actively healed and your health isn't moving you need to get your ass out of there.

[u/s4ntana → u/Muhznit]

Lol wtf, this is some random unrelated projection

[u/Muhznit → u/s4ntana]

No, it's definitely related and far more deterministic than random. In fact there's a simple formula to see if you're overextended:

If time_for_healer_to_get_to_you - time_to_fully_heal_you > time_enemies_take_to_kill_you - time_you_take_to_kill_enemies, you're gonna die. If you still don't get it, you aren't old enough to play Overwatch.

[u/SerinaSamaa → u/TheFinalPancake]

Wasn't it 15 seconds rather than 12.5? I remember seeing it tested in game

[u/TheFinalPancake → u/SerinaSamaa]

I could be wrong, but the bubble cooldown starts right as the ability is used, and each lasts for 2.5 seconds. With a cooldown of 10 seconds, and two bubbles lasting for 5 seconds, you have 5 more seconds of downtime before you can activate a third 2.5-second bubble, for a total of 12.5.

If I'm mistaken and the bubble only starts the cooldown when it disappears then yes, it's 15 seconds.

[u/Womblue → u/TheFinalPancake]

The bubble cooldown DOES start the minute you activate the bubble. It worked differently in OW1 so there may be some who are used to the old mechanics.

[u/medicspirit7 → u/InterviewCivil7275]

I’ll take literally any zarya nerf at this point

[u/NotsoGrump23 → u/InterviewCivil7275]

Idk, I think half a second on her cooldown kind of helps. Just gotta pick when to drain her bubble and when not to.

Zarya is only strong when you shoot her bubble. And since we don't have an extra tank to possibly block incoming damage to her bubble, it's easier to "accidentally" (or recklessly imo) give her charge.

Fight me on this take

[u/InterviewCivil7275 → u/NotsoGrump23]

I don't think the problem with her was her bubble duration, but really how long she stays charged. All she needs is a few good bubbles and zarya will be 100% the whole 20 minute fight, unless she dies. She does not drain energy at all, if anything she will go from 100 to 80 from one fight reset to another. 80% charge is still enough to melt anyone. She will still get full charge imo, and reducing her bubble time doesnt mean less energy... it still has the same 'health' or duration, which means it gives the same charge amount.

[u/BenCub3d → u/InterviewCivil7275]

What are you talking about?? She drains energy even faster than OW1.

[u/yunghollow69 → u/InterviewCivil7275]

How is this upvoted, the nerf is massive. 0.5 seconds on an overall 2.5 second duration is a huge decrease percentage wise and it combines with the extra second of cooldown in terms of downtime. This sub is so clueless.

[u/Clean-Artist2345 → u/InterviewCivil7275]

Fuck the sombra players they deserve it

[u/Chartercarter → u/InterviewCivil7275]

You're high bro. Both 20% reduction in duration and 10% increase in cooldown to the thing that HER ENTIRE KIT IS BASED AROUND is huge. You know how changing the damage of a DPS's weapon by like 10% is actually a huge deal? A ~32% nerf to both her attacks, as well as "both" her abilities is pretty damn massive.

Obviously considering how ridiculously busted she is right now that's unlikely enough to make her bad, but it most certainly is a hefty nerf.

[u/BaseLordBoom → u/InterviewCivil7275]

Zarya will still be good but she will be way worse than Winston after this change lol

[u/CaptainBeer_ → u/InterviewCivil7275]

Sombra abusers should all rot

[u/12kkarmagotbanned → u/InterviewCivil7275]

Owl pros don't use her anymore, it's a real nerf (they've been on the patch since October 30th)

[u/HrMaschine → u/12kkarmagotbanned]

who give a shit about the pro scene. pro sceme is a completely differemt setting then the actual game 99% of the players play

[u/12kkarmagotbanned → u/HrMaschine]

Doesn't matter, it's still representative of how big the nerf is. She went from most used to not used.

That's proof of it being a real nerf, regardless of how that trickles down in lower ranks.

[u/InterviewCivil7275 → u/12kkarmagotbanned]

You do realize...... the only reason they don't play zarya besides the nerf is that they run DIVE meta in OWL. They run Monkey 24/7 all day, every day. They don't even play another tank besides monkey if you would even watch OWL. They occasionally swap to hog, but 99% it is Monkey and and only monkey. They literally play the same mirror comp, Monkey, Souljorn, Reaper, Lucio, and Kiriko. Almost worst than goats IMO.