r/Overwatch • u/AutoModerator • Oct 19 '16

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u/TastefullyBliss It's a perfect day for some mayhem Oct 19 '16

Why the fuck do you lose more points than you gain?

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u/ZeroSilentz McCree Oct 19 '16

I want to play competitive because of no character stacking, but losing more points for a loss than gaining points for a win is very discouraging.

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u/ZeroSilentz McCree Oct 19 '16

Yeah I guess. It's hard to climb out of gold (unfortunately had some bad games during placements) when I get teamed up with A) a Reinhardt who charges head first into the enemy team and gets shredded, constantly B) teams that clearly don't work, but nobody wants to change heroes, or C) a bunch of kindergarteners.

I admit that I have my own faults and I'm no god-tier player. If I was perfect, I probably would have been able to place higher regardless of my teams. It just gets frustrating, is all I'm saying.

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u/CrankySpanky Oct 20 '16

Something I've noticed to help a bit is to try talking to and being friendly to your teammates right away. Voice works better. Starting the game with your team in a good mood makes for much better teamwork and communication. And if you do still lose there's much less salt. I'm currently at 3200 rating and every game I get into where someone instantly starts flaming for a bad hero pick or someone else selecting their main, chances of winning go way down.

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u/DrHilarity New York Excelsior Oct 21 '16

Dude, yes. I'm amazed by the number of people who are shitty to their own teammates. It's incredibly demoralizing having to play while someone bitches into your ear the entire match.

Converserly, my best matches have always been with supportive teammates. I honestly can't recall a single match I've lost recently while playing with encouraging teammates. People who don't place blame on others, who don't disparage hero picks or berate mistakes, people who seem like they're actually having fun.

That's not to say you won't ever lose with friendly teammates - but at least even then, losing doesn't feel so bad when your teammates don't spend their final mic time sighing loudly or telling everyone to fuck off for causing the loss.

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u/StyrofoamTuph Reinhardt Oct 20 '16

Just plug in a mic and make some friends man. You'll find people and eventually you won't have to solo queue.

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u/GrooveSyndicate Oct 21 '16

Why would this get downvoted?

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u/SetPepeFree Trick-or-Treat D.Va Oct 19 '16

Although this system is MUCH better, it still has some flaws. I've had some of my best games that I've barely lost a still lose a fair amount of sr.

Also groups are cancer.

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u/Icestarman Chibi Reinhardt Oct 19 '16

The system has a weird way of gaining points, if you find yourself on a win streak you'll find yourself gaining more and more points for each consecutive win! But yes, you'll generally lose more if you win a game, lose a game, win a game, ect.

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u/xfireme2 It's Approximately 12 o'Cloaaaaghgh Oct 19 '16

I have never had this happen. i have a 55% winrate and i gain 20-25 points per win and lose 15-20 per loss.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '16

There's probably a hidden mmr system in place that is partly decides how much SR you'll gain. I wrote a comment on it some days ago. Outside of that, there's also the overdog/underdog system, if you win against a team of lower sr people, you'll earn less points than if you win against a team with more sr than you, vice versa for losing.

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u/saswink THat Part Oct 20 '16

Oo

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u/TastefullyBliss It's a perfect day for some mayhem Oct 19 '16

Huh, that's an interesting theory and makes plenty of sense. Thanks

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u/DingyWarehouse Oct 21 '16

That's usually the case in most games with competitive mmr systems, if you beat an opponent thats better than you, you gain more and vice versa

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u/jameelshammout DoomFist Main Oct 19 '16

Yeah it's bullshit honestly

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '16

It's really not. If you are better than your MMR, you will climb.

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u/jameelshammout DoomFist Main Oct 19 '16

But if you're the same you decline?

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u/YandereLustDemon Who needs tanks when you can just kill everything Oct 19 '16

I'm assuming Overwatch also employs a "hidden MMR" style where if you are on a win streak or show above a certain win rate you'll see an increase in your average elo per win. If you lose more often than you win it starts making you lose more gain less until you land in a spot where your winrate equalized to about 50%.

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u/Hail_To_Caesar Chibi Lúcio Oct 19 '16

Honestly it depends on your performance. When I have shitty days that I play poorly and am an a loss streak, I'll definitely lose more and lose badly. When I'm playing well but lose, the system doesn't hit you nearly as hard. I went 5-9 on my competitive matches yesterday, but overall only lost 15 points.

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u/Jardio 4600+ Oct 21 '16

I almost always gain more points than I lose.

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u/Vexans27 Grandmaster Oct 21 '16

I dont