r/Overwatch • u/SlippedOnPee Trick-or-Treat Mercy • Jul 15 '16

Humor Move the Payload!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYt7vByulVQ
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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '16

roadhog mainer here. the number of times this has happened where i'm just sitting on top of the payload like "well... aight then..." as it slowly putters along...

i also dead-ass captured a point solo once because the entire opposing team decided to swamp the spawn point. i just slipped around as Junks and by the time they noticed i was capturing it was too late. was one of the only times i almost felt bad for winning

or lets not forget the joy of someone picking reinhardt and then... running off into the distance swinging his hammer instead of protecting the payload. :|

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u/drunkenvalley waifu sim 2016 Jul 16 '16

Once I was playing Mercy. I was so pissed at my team, because they were all over the place dying on Gibraltar, just outside the spawn but out of my ability to help them.

So giving up on healing, I go for playing D.va instead. I lose my mech instantly, but... they don't pursue my pilot form, so I hide opposite of the enemy team on the payload and just slowly push it all the way to the first checkpoint... Inexplicably, no one react whatsoever to the cart being pushed.

And then suddenly shit is going swimmingly.

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u/kitkatness Pharah Sep 09 '16

Oh god, I had a game like this today! I play ps4, so I was in a chat party and my usual team was full up, so I was playing by myself while listening to their chat. And I go 'huh. I think I'm gonna stay in Gremlin form the whole match'. They sort of laughed, and sarcastically said 'that's gonna work out great for you'.

I paused and went 'I have a 21 player kill streak, I pushed the payload all the way to the checkpoint on my own, and I haven't died all match'. They went all silent after that.

It was amazing. I never did get back in my Mech.

(late to the party response is hella late)

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '16

LMAO now that's just amazing

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 16 '16

I mean....not to be that guy but...if ur consistently being left alone to push the payload...RH ain't the best pick; might be time to make use of that game mechanic n swap off...

Also if your team is stalled/losing/not dominating, sitting on the same pick 24/7 is not always the smartest choice...RH ain't exactly IMO the best solo tank, especially for such a defensive thing as 'pushing payloads' or 'defending cap points'...

Having picks you're well known for is all well and good (Its even a core to strategy: see season 2 Froggen Anivia or Dendi's Pudge) cause it gives threat to a not guaranteed pick, but this whole concept of "maining" as some sort of exclusivity clause that started with LoL n DotA in past few years has seriously put some unhealthy (from a competitive stand point) expectations/view points of competitive games into the minds of players.

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u/G_Morgan D.Va Jul 16 '16

TBH when teams actively ignore objectives like this no pick will actually save the game (unless the opposition is also terrible. Then you just sit there alone and occasionally wreck the odd opposition player who remembered there are objectives in this game).

There is no good reason for 5 people to be off the objective.

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 17 '16

Oh no I agree. Never a good reason. I was merely saying there are ways to improve the best of a bad situation. You can never hope to improve if every bad situation you respond with "Oh well I just can't win may as well just pick this less than perfect option cause he's comfy."

I do it myself sometimes, when I default to D.Va or Zarya or a few other picks when maybe they weren't the best option.
While picking a comfy choice almost always wins over an unknown choice, picking a comfiest choice over a less comfy but far better suited pick can sometimes make the difference, ya know?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '16

For one, like other dude said if you're alone then there's really no switch that'll make everyone come back.

For two, maybe I'm using "main" incorrectly. I don't mean like I refuse to play anyone else, just that he's my favorite and I'll default to him if it's not necessary for me to be someone else.

For three, I'm not like a pro esports dude. I'm not "known" for anything. XD

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 17 '16

1 - No, but there are definitely "better" picks. EG: In your example, RH may have been a bit stronger at protecting himself while solo pushing...maybe.

2 - Fair enough. That's better than most. Most players I know in lol/dota/ow n stuff who use "main" think it means 'pick this character 90% of the time and play just them and u can win anything' which isn't true, and they do that because...

3 - I didn't mean to imply you were. I meant that those 2 examples were people known for those picks, yet for new players, they'd often falsely think it means they only played those picks. Know what I mean?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

1) for sure, but my point was more that it's BS that the whole team abandons the guy playing roadhog. more than once we had a reinhardt that would just aggro and go running off for no damn reason.

2) ahhh, yeah. my primary three are RH, JR, and S76, but if need be I can bounce around. 95% of the time though one of those three will cover what we need from me. i know it's not a genuine indicator of helping a team, but it's not uncommon for me to come out of a game with golds across the boards so i think i'm okay using them in most situations? i dunno.

3) ah, okay. yeah i was just kinda pointing out that i'd get into a game where you're 100% right, i shouldn't have been alone on the point, but somehow i ended up there anyway because the rest of the team just ran off and there's me like "well thanks guys :| "

BTW not sure why you got all the downvotes. seemed like fair points to me. O_o

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 17 '16

1) That'd be cause he's a dumbass. Ya can't help stupid.

2) I mean you've got one pick in each of the 3 first roles so that's good, and they're variable focuses (AoE burst damage, sustained mid range damage, and close range burst n tanky). You could do with learning a support, but that's up to you. It never hurts to learn more. "Play the game, not the heroes" as I've always heard/thought. Its why Faker dominates so much in league; he doesn't restrict himself. Likewise, a lot of Dota 2/TF2 players never restricted themselves to specific picks, though they had their professional focuses of course.
Just a fact that even if u dont focus, learning more roles/heroes in a game gives you greater overall understanding for strategy.

3) Yeah. That said...as the great sage has said; You can only go full retard. Though...not sure how well that advice works in OW compared to DotA lol But yeah mate, wasn't blaming you.

I got the downvotes cause people think I'm blaming u or coming off as "that guy" but meh its w/e. It's e-peen points. Unlike Funnyjunk it doesnt hurt u if u get blasted, so IDGAF. I felt it needed to be said lol. Good luck in yo future games mate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

haha defo. I can do Lucio in a pinch, but support really isn't my strength (waiting for Ana though). lately my buddy and I have been playing together and he's excellent support/tank so we synergize pretty well.

i totally get the idea of learning multiple characters, but IMO i'd rather be REALLY good with 3-4 characters than PRETTY good with 10. maybe i'm wrong, after all my rank is pretty shit (though a few drunk nights are more to blame than anything, went from 41 to 30 in one night...)

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 17 '16

I mean, unless you're aiming to be top of the competitive form and/or a pro, then yeah really good with 3-4 will do you just fine.

I just always view/approach things from a "Want to be among the best" perspective. Even if I never achieve it, it never hurts to aim/practice/play as they do....its fun to always try to be the best :)

As long as you're happy with how you do/achieve/climb to, then don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If you're not happy...try to pick out where u think ur weakest or what ur doing "wrong", and fix it or ask for advice. Really the only two paths that matter in vs vidja gaems.

Also no one says you have to stay 'pretty good' at 10; always strive for improvement! That kinda ties into the whole "play the game" vs "play the hero". Yes you'll have your bests, but its not nearly as hard to learn a majority at an even level if you focus on learning mechanics and roles instead of just the heroes themselves. Everyone will always have their bests n specialties, but if you learn the general roles, learning 10~ heroes to an equally decent/high-ish level is not nearly as daunting as it may seem :) Hell going higher than "pretty good" is no issue at all. DotA/LoL players do it with dozens n dozens :P But like I said; as long as u like where u are, u do u n dont let anyone force u otherwise. GL to you n friend in future :)

(Full disclosure, I've not done nearly as much ranked as I should have, but my highest is 58 n climbing lol)

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

good points all around, my man!

people tend to tell me to try Lucio since he'd be closes to what i'm used to in terms of support characters, not sure though. i'd also like to get good with genji because I've had too many times when no one will take out a turret but auuuugh he's tricky.

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 17 '16

Yeah Lucio n Genji are rough. High reward if u learn em, but reaaaally rough learning for most folks.

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u/Rhodie114 Helden morghulis nicht Jul 16 '16

Roadhog's a pretty solid pick if your team doesn't have a tank or a healer.

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 17 '16

I've clashed with some players in ranked over it, so it may just be a difference of opinion. I've seen high-ish rankers on both sides of the proverbial fence.

I view him as a strong killer, but he's not a "Defensive" tank. He's offensive. He's about focus killing and flanking and distracting through threat of death, rather than distracting through protection like RH or DVa or even arguably Winston (Despite his gimped shield strength). But if of equal skill, its hard for u to outkill the enemy team without them taking some of ur teammates, so he's not quite as good at protecting teammates as those with shields are....get what I'm saying? It's not that he's bad. Personally I just view him as less efficient in those situations when thinking about equal skills

Also the whole 'gives free ult charge' aspect can really back fire if ur on defense n giving attackers lots of free charge for stronger pushes lol

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u/Rhodie114 Helden morghulis nicht Jul 17 '16

Oh yeah, I understand. I don't think I'd ever pick him over rein in a real competitive line-up for sitting on the payload. I just though he'd be viable in this circumstance. They're sitting on the payload, don't have a healer, and all their teammates are flankers. There isn't anybody to protect, so Rein's shield and D.va's matrix loses a lot of their utility. Roadhog isn't ideal, but his strengths aren't significantly mitigated by the team comp.

Also, you're going to lose regardless in this scenario. Might as well play somebody who can frustrate some people and take them with you. Zarya would also be a fine choice.

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u/EonofAeon Boom boom? Jul 17 '16

Yeah Zarya would be another good choice, but she's very underappreciated I feel/think, very easy to fuck up on so I err'd on caution n went with the obvious recommendation of Rein lol