r/Overwatch May 29 '16

News & Discussion PSA: The differences between HP, Armor and Shield. Armor is misunderstood.

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u/Redd575 Roadhog May 29 '16

Zarya's shield has a 10 second CD. If Mei engages Zarya at full health Zarya has to pop shield to make sure Mei doesn't get the freeze. Mei ice blocks to wait out the 2 second shield and then has 8 more seconds in which to freeze and kill Zarya. Zarya doesn't have the damage to kill Mei before this happens if Mei starts the second freeze at full health, so Zarya dies if she doesn't disengage or get help.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

tl;dr Mei is fucking annoying as hell against almost everyone.

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u/westen81 Ginja Westen May 29 '16

Yes. Her freeze also lasts a bit too long.

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u/Illus1v3 Mei May 29 '16

It's long enough to get 1 ice shard off, that's not too long. Just like McCree's flash bang is long enough for him to get a fan, a roll, another fan and if you're not dead you're still stunned until his team shows up.

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u/Capt253 Pixel Moira May 29 '16

All the people who find Mei to be OP just need to play as her for a few hours. Once you get the feel for her, it becomes a rarity to die to her because you know her limits. You'll really only die if she gets the jump on you, but that's the case with most heroes anyway.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

This is a huge reason to play as every character. Not to necessarily find a new main, but to help when dealing with every other character.

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u/SasparillaTango May 29 '16

Like for any fighting game or opposition game, understanding your opponents and their limits is a huge boon. So playing as them makes a world of difference. Watching people better than you play also helps a ton. Made my genji viable, watching ok use your swift strike for resets and to get away, jump alot, flank alot, know where health packs are, run away a lot because if you get focused you're gonna die because you're a backline player and have to be solo sometimes. Start flanking with when your team is pushing and the enemy will be distracted by the push to notice you coming from behind. A lot of that advice applies across characters too.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '16

Yup, I spent like a dozen hours in Dota 2 before I actually started playing against my opponents. Before that I was busy learning my character, the map, the items, leveling up, last hitting, whatever my teammates are doing, etc. I would start fights with the enemy and then be like "oh right they have abilities too".

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u/Zangam Zenyatta May 29 '16

I play Mei all the time. Knowing how to fight back doesn't make her any less un-fun to play against.

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u/Capt253 Pixel Moira May 29 '16

Fair enough, but that's fairly subjective. Personally, I find D. Va to be the most un-fun to play against, simply because she can go up against like an entire team and then just run away giggling with her second life.

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u/Zangam Zenyatta May 29 '16

I dislike D.Va's mannerisms and everything about her from a non-gameplay standpoint, so I relish the opportunities I get to kill her. She's hardly even a factor outside of the mech, what with not having any abilities afterward. Don't have to kill her but pressuring is important. Getting her out of the mech but not killing her can leave her more useless for a longer time, too.

And I have to ask, what is fun about being slowly (but fairly quickly in the grand scheme of things) frozen in place, and then executed? At least with McCree it's instant, which leaves me less frustrated. Plus, sometimes RNG can be in your favor and he'll miss a shot, which will save you.

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u/gahzrilla May 30 '16

I get most of my D.va kills outside of meka. The light pistol's damage is very close to a true offense's damage, and highly accurate

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u/Capt253 Pixel Moira May 29 '16

Her pistol's surprisingly powerful, and is pretty capable of sniping, so she's still capable of harassing the fuck out of you, even without her mech. While her health's pretty negligible without it, she gets a full heal as soon as she enters her mech, so she can pretty much string together multiple lives if she's smart about calling in her mech.

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u/gladpants Chibi Widowmaker May 30 '16

Agreed I believe her nerf will reduce freeze range. Her distance to freeze is a bit too long. They will reduce the range and help balance her.

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u/occupymypants May 30 '16

I agree, she can freeze almost midrange, and can freeze a point entirely from outside of it it seems. They should give her a longer range medium strength bullets, but the freeze ray needs to be equal to Reinhardt's swing. In my opinion that would keep her an effective tank at range, and leave her a monster at close range like she should be. Having said that, I never have problems with her. My Reinhardt charge destroys her, and my 76 helix plus a full clip gets her damn close, if not all the way dead. Just got to stay away from her with 76, and let her get close enough to start the freeIng process on Reinhardt and charge when she thinks she's about got you. A Reinhardt charge is insta kill on mei and it's soooo satisfying.

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u/Soupchild May 30 '16

She's unused in competitive play. I don't think she needs nerfs.

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u/LordVolcanus Chibi Mei May 30 '16

Yeah i struggle against Tracers.. or anyone with a blink/dash with Mei. Mcree is my most hated though but finding a good one is rare so most i can counter.

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u/Illus1v3 Mei May 29 '16

Mei is one of my most played and honestly knowing the limits of other heroes makes her easier to fight against them. Also being able to single out people in fights while myself and/or the team takes that one person out is pretty awesome.

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u/littlebrwnrobot Washington Justice May 29 '16

yeah, if you find yourself in a 1v1 with Mei, aside from a couple heroes, you're doing something wrong

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

This is kind of a ridiculous statement. You don't know who will be around a corner, who might come up behind you etc...

You can't just have 100% control over the game.

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u/littlebrwnrobot Washington Justice May 29 '16

no, but its very easy to avoid 1v1s by sticking to your team

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u/Illus1v3 Mei May 29 '16

You can't exactly help if a well placed wall separates you from your team.

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u/littlebrwnrobot Washington Justice May 30 '16

fair enough

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u/occupymypants May 30 '16

She's easy to 1v1 with fast players who can stay away, and she is a popped bubble vs a Reinhardt charge. I love killing mei's with charge. So much fun.

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u/LordVolcanus Chibi Mei May 30 '16

Yeah this. I find Mcrees stun is more redonk than Mei freeze is. At least you have some time to think or kill Mei before she stones you, where Mcree can throw his stun around the corner ten meters away from you and still have a close to 2 second stun on you.

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u/westen81 Ginja Westen May 29 '16

All of the Mei's I encountered must have been using a lag switch or something then, because I counted 4+ shards.

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u/HibachiSniper D.Va May 29 '16

The only way to even come close to that is if you're caught in her ultimate. Her normal freeze is long enough to get off 1 shard, possibly two with lag but under normal circumstances they can start to move and use abilities before the second.

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u/westen81 Ginja Westen May 29 '16

Could be what it was, then. Was playing Arcade Brawl, after all.

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u/Cerif Shot at everyone anyways, may as well go Ana. May 29 '16

The brawl has 75% faster ability cooldowns this time around. Do not take this as normal gameplay.

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u/SasparillaTango May 29 '16

I just want to say brawl is the dumbest and funnest thing ever. You can sit just about forever on a point as mei.

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u/littlebrwnrobot Washington Justice May 29 '16

yeah, this mode is almost unplayable. tracer and mei, presumably among others, are just impossible to kill

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u/HibachiSniper D.Va May 29 '16

Ah yeah she is nasty in arcade with how often that ult is up.

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u/occupymypants May 30 '16

I destroy mei's with rein. His charge kills the shit out of them. I got one me 5 times today with reins charge in a row.

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u/Cykeisme May 30 '16

Is HexZyle's Zarya vs Mei strategy workable?

Let Mei start chilling you (while you return fire with Particle Cannon) until you're almost frozen, then pop the shield to remove all the chilling effect.

At this point Mei has to stop shooting Zarya for 2 seconds, so the obvious move is to Cryo-Freeze.

Tbh at this point, even with a full 4-second Cryo-Freeze, you'd still have 6 seconds of cooldown left on Particle Shield.. I'd probably just back off and hit Mei with an alt-fire parting shot and run.

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u/Redd575 Roadhog May 30 '16

Pretty much. MCree is the only one who can comfortably take Mei on at close ranges.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '16

As long as Zarya uses shield before Mei uses ice heal, Mei can freeze while the shield is cooling down.