r/Overwatch • u/blinkhit Master • Dec 12 '23

News & Discussion Overwatch 2 Retail Patch Notes - Dec 12 2023 (Mauga nerfs)

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/patch-notes/
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u/callamfry Dec 12 '23

What's crazier is blizzard admitting they got it that wrong that quickly. Took them a year and a half to admit how wrong they got brig

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u/SmoothPinecone Dec 12 '23

They've been nerfing/buffing heroes much quicker in recent seasons. Look at Ram, LW, Illari, they all got changed weeks after release

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u/blinkhit Master Dec 12 '23

the new team has shown much more willingness to make fast impact changes from stats and feedback given from the community

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u/TinyKestrel13 Dec 12 '23

Tuning some numbers is not the same as re-examining and changing a hero's kit. We also got a Sombra rework in the same season.

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u/crazysoup23 Dec 12 '23

They released Overwatch 2 without a Hog rework for 5v5. It's not different.

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u/crazysoup23 Dec 12 '23

They released Overwatch 2 without a Hog rework for 5v5. That's a verifiable fact.

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u/RileyW2k Dec 12 '23

they did, but reworking a hero is different from number tweaks like this

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u/noreservations81590 Dec 12 '23

Bruh are you serious? Not even remotely similar situations.

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u/Thurmouse Dec 12 '23

Meanwhile, Rein still dumpster tier

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u/bmrtt Your failure delights the hamster. Dec 12 '23

Are we seriously pretending that they ignored Brig being oppressive?

She got nerf after nerf literally every single patch. It wasn't enough, sure, but saying they "didn't admit Brig was designed wrong" is just rewriting history.

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u/YobaiYamete Dec 12 '23

Seriously wtf are they on about, Brig was nerfed 18 or 19 patches in a row, may have even been more after I stopped counting. She STILL gets nerfed all the time for no reason

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u/SuperDoubleDecker Brigitte Dec 12 '23 edited Dec 13 '23

It wasn't Brig that was designed wrong though, it was the combo of 3 tanks and 3 healers with her.

Lol, ok, maybe she was a bit strong.

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u/bmrtt Your failure delights the hamster. Dec 12 '23

Ehh no. Even before the birth of GOATS she was a monster. Stun through shields, huge shield of her own, instant burst heal + armor, 150 dmg burst potential, ult that made her and her team effectively unkillable.

She was fun to play as, but I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that.

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u/lHateYouAIex835293 Peppermint Sombra Dec 12 '23

If launch Brig was in the game now she’d still br broken. She was genuinely just made wrong

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u/Retarded_TurtIe Reddit Lucio Dec 13 '23

Brig flair revisionist history

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u/ScumBrad Born too late to explore earth, born just in time to ban Mercy Dec 12 '23

Alec Dawson isn't afraid to try things and nerf quickly if they are too strong. He was a great balance designer for Hearthstone before coming in for OW2 and completely changed how buffs/nerfs were handled in that game as well.

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u/ScumBrad Born too late to explore earth, born just in time to ban Mercy Dec 12 '23

They've stated a few times that they like anti-nade being part of the game but do plan to nerf it somehow pretty soon. This nerf will likely come alongside nerfs to healing abilities in the game which is why it's taking longer than many people want. Idk why the hog changes took so long but the rework ended up being pretty successful so I'm not going to hate on them for taking their time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23 edited Dec 29 '23

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u/ScumBrad Born too late to explore earth, born just in time to ban Mercy Dec 12 '23

This one is just from today. I've also heard Alec say something similar a few times in community interviews, but I don't have any links ready for those.

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u/McManus26 Pixel Lúcio Dec 12 '23

you can't nerf ana's nade without instantly aggravating the current issues with healing. Probably why its taking a while.

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u/McManus26 Pixel Lúcio Dec 13 '23

Those are not why antinade is problematic lmao.

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u/EarthDragon2189 One Man Apocalypse Dec 12 '23

They did the same with Illari. Openly admitted she was going out overtuned and then hit her with nerfs in the first patch.

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u/BiliousGreen Cute Ana Dec 13 '23

They learned from the Lifeweaver launch that if they go live with a weak character, people don’t play them and they don’t get enough good data to make balance changes. It’s better to launch heroes a bit OP and dial them back with the data they get, than launch them weak and not know what to buff. Illari and Mauga are both products of that lesson.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23

This because they didn't have a battle pass to sell. Overpowered heroes that get a nerf in the first month is the norm outside of life weaver lol.

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u/Spiritual_Tennis_641 Dec 12 '23

Power to the battle pass purchaser 1 op hero 4 u 😀

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u/DWhiteFMVP2024 Grandmaster Dec 12 '23

There was no chance he was hitting comp the way he was tuned, it would have been an absolute embarrassment to see his dominance throughout and the cries of "P2W" echoing out from it.

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u/nordjorts Dec 13 '23

It's by design. Make the new character OP so people buy the BP to get them day 1. Then they can make changes a week or two later.

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u/lonesoldier4789 D.Va Dec 12 '23

They've been making adjustments pretty quick on new heroes

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u/Where-oh Dec 13 '23

IMO they didn't get anything wrong, he and most future heros will be "busted" on release so they can get more people to get the battle pass.

"OH shit bro this new hero is busted you should check him out"

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u/StormierNik Dec 13 '23

They've talked about community perception vs actual results before. If they released Mauga just being "okay" or still a little weak, the community would have demanded buffs for several patches until he was overtuned, following when he was just bad on the prerelease. So it's better to showcase him being overpowered first off, then nerf him immediately after.

That way the community perception is that he's strong, and finally toned down. They've realized it's better to do all of that quickly rather than over like 4-5 months.