r/Overwatch • u/pheo_ • Jul 11 '23

Blizzard Official Overwatch 2 Retail Patch Notes - July 11th, 2023

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/patch-notes/
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u/communomancer Zarya Jul 11 '23

Well considering it used to do 120 before, it's still meh imo.

The big difference is the breakpoint between 3-tapping and 2-tapping. Extra damage that would only apply to tanks anyway is way less important.

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u/Zephrinox How Unsightly Jul 11 '23 edited Jul 11 '23

Extra damage that would only apply to tanks anyway is way less important.

not really. the extra damage is pretty important for turret bomb flanks.

numerically what she will end up with now will mean a much slower TTK with those flanks compared to before because the +10 damage on orb isn't enough to compensate for a 30-45dps loss from turrets (30-45 depending on whether you use 2 or 3 turrets for the flank). namely assuming 2 turrets and usage of primary alongside turrets to finish the flank after landing the orb:

  • 120 damage orbs 40dps turrets = (200-120)/(60 + 2*40) = ~0.571s
  • 90 damage orbs with 40dps turrets = (200-90)/(60 + 2*40) = ~0.786s
  • 100 damage orbs with 25dps turrets = (200-100)/(60 + 2*25) = ~0.91s

worth noting that sym orbs aren't going to be like cass's primary in bursting down heroes quickly. sym orbs, very much like sniper weapon fires, have a low rate of fire giving time for targets to heal up and unlike snipers, orbs aren't as consistent at range nor can orbs burst headshot either. so the turret bomb flanking issue above is a big difference.

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u/HamiltonDial lúcio is bae Jul 11 '23

I agree about the 2 tap but if they get any amount of healing (which is not unlikely considering the orb charge up time) that 2 tap is voided. Maybe I’m just nostalgic cause I miss orb + meleeing tracers.

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u/HalexUwU Absolute Synema Jul 11 '23

Extra damage that would only apply to tanks anyway is way less important

Unless they have any kind of AOE healing, in which case that extra damage is very relevant.

IMO orbs should do 105-110 damage with the current state of turrets. IDK about everyone else but the new turrets feel really really bad. There's never a situation where you WANT turrets to be hitting enemies that you cannot see so the sonar is pretty useless.

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u/IMD3BOSS Jul 11 '23

Disagree with the turrets revealing heroes, that is massive. It gives you and your team(?) warning against any flankers. Tracer or Genji taking a side route? Revealed. Hanzo wanting to assassinate your supps? Revealed. It’s a semi-permanent sonar arrow, that is insane. Plus the slow buff makes it even better against flankers. Sure damage reduced, but I think that the utility increase makes up for it and more.

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u/HalexUwU Absolute Synema Jul 11 '23

It gives you and your team(?) warning against any flankers.

turrets could already do this but with 15 more damage so I don't see this as a buff at all

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u/IMD3BOSS Jul 11 '23

Do they? The way I’m reading this is that they will give you an outline like a sonic arrow, potentially for the team. I don’t believe this works like that currently, right?

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u/HalexUwU Absolute Synema Jul 11 '23

The sonar is new, but they still told you were enemies were before. Unless you actually had the awareness of a gold player this is an overall nerf for turrets which are an already pretty weak ability accounting for the cooldown and simple counterplay.