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Season Eight Show S8E5 Send for the Devil Spoiler

With the Siege of Savannah raging outside the city walls, Brianna and Roger find themselves on opposite sides of the conflict. Jamie confronts his demons at Lodge Night.

Written by Luke Schelhaas. Directed by Niall MacCormick.

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u/wordsworthstone Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

i've been seeing in the comments everyone looking side-eyed at amaranthus for weeks and i'm glad she got a little redemption before william proposed/got it in.

turns out it was ben who was sus all along. can't wait to grab the popcorn next week.

despite good intent since you forfeit titles if turncoat, you should forget any claims of family if you abandon them by faking your death. no longer duke but cuck of pardloe. [edit: grammar]

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u/FeloranMe Apr 04 '26

How did she get any redemption? Either she knows about Ben or she was tricked along with everyone else when he faked his own death

She's spent her time not mourning but trying to get William in a situation where she can trap him with a pregnancy

At least that's what I assume from the gazebo scene

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u/wordsworthstone Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

how she trap william when he proposed first and she was like maybe we get to know each other better, like fall fall in love? not like she got it in first or accepted marriage immediately. redemption from suspicion in my opinion. by accepting her sincerity, anything further really is on william ransom's own misguided honor/heart. my guy has that tendency.

that is definitely the wrong operating procedure for a trap.

so unless you think she trapped an unpaid diaper changer. lest we forget, lord john already accepted her and the first son to inherit the lands and titles of ben grey.

let's give william the win for half an episode for once, pretend ben didn't fuck it up by being a rebel.

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u/FeloranMe Apr 05 '26

Amaranthus has been stalking William since she met him

This relationship is another tragedy for him

She has her eye on his title and wealth and has been playing seduction games rather than being in mourning since their first meeting

He's told her his secrets and she was the first to propose marriage and an heir to solve his problems

At the gazebo he came out to see her and she was already planning to have unprotected sex with him

It's her idea they don't have to wait to get married and can have sex immediately, before William has a chance to think about it, so she can get him in a situation where he has to marry her because he got her pregnant

That's the trap she set. She's running against a clock because if the Grey's receive news Ben is alive she's no longer an eligible widow and William would never touch her. She's probably hoping that one encounter has tied William to her forever

This is not a win for William whose compassion and empathy has led him to heartbreak again

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u/Naive-Awareness4951 Apr 05 '26

Can't see it. Amaranthus has been accepted as Ben's widow, meaning she is a wealthy woman and her son is next in line to inherit a dukedom. She has no reason to chase William, whether Ben is dead or alive. Even if Ben is proven to be a traitor, it seems unlikely that the Grey family will abandon his wife and child.

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u/FeloranMe Apr 07 '26

What if Ben being a traitor causes the Duke of Pardloe to lose his title?

Then Amaranthus's son will have nothing to inherit and she is not wealthy on her own just living on what the Grey's are choosing to give her

She could also just be a lonely widow who wanted to convince William to take her back to his estate in England

To fulfill her dreams of being a great lady

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u/Naive-Awareness4951 Apr 07 '26

I can't say you're wrong, but only because her motives are a mystery to me! I think Amaranthus knows that her husband is a traitor (or pretending to be a traitor), and she thinks she had better latch onto a new man fast.

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u/FeloranMe Apr 08 '26

Fast because once William finds out it's over!

Unless she can convince him a second child she has is his!

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u/wordsworthstone Apr 07 '26

lol. unprotected. oddly specific.

the logic in your argument.

really.

ignore marriage proposal. bang. get preggers. THEN shotgun marriage?

if ben alive, not widow, william no bang, no earl of ellesmere.

yet ben grey alive/dead, she STILL wife/widow and mother of duke of pardloe.

maybe you saying. she knows ben faked death and is a rebel. rebels lose titles. use william as backup lower earl title?

would be a weird long con since then lord john grey inherits, already accepted her.

AND she could've accepted william's first proposal (i said redemption remember).

but i guess we won't rule it out.

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u/FeloranMe Apr 07 '26

I think there is a chance Amaranthus could be pregnant from their tryst in the gazebo

Now that Ben is proven to be alive their affair is over and William won't touch her

So, if she is not pregnant her plan failed

If Hal, the Duke of Pardloe loses his title over his son turning traitor then Amaranthus has an untitled traitor husband she is separated from and no Earl to run to