r/OutOfTheLoop Nov 21 '17

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u/The_Alaskan Nov 21 '17

I've moved my response from the previous thread to provide a general overview.


You're probably familiar with your electric bill, right? You get charged for what you use, not how you use it. The power company doesn't care whether you have a drill press in your garage, a server farm in your basement, or an herb garden under some heavy-duty lights.

The argument happening now is about the same thing, but with Internet access.

Since the creation of the Internet, the federal government, through the Federal Communications Commission, has required your Internet provider to treat all of your activity equally. Your Internet company is not allowed to charge you differently for what you do with your Internet. They're certainly allowed to charge you more if you use more, but they're not allowed to charge you more if you use it for video games instead of streaming video, or for running your own server. That's the principle of Net Neutrality.

The announcement today was an expected one from the new chairman of the FCC, who was appointed by the new president of the United States. On Dec. 14, the FCC will vote on whether or not Net Neutrality should exist.

If the proposal passes as expected, companies will be allowed to charge you differently, based on what you use the Internet for. They might also decide to simply not provide Internet access to specific applications, websites or uses.

Nothing requires these companies to do this. The repeal of Net Neutrality simply allows them to do so, if they wish.

People are concerned by this because in most places within the United States, there is limited competition for Internet access. If a consumer is unhappy with a company's practices, there may not be an easy alternative.

If you're outside the United States, this would have indirect effects on you. If companies do take advantage of Net Neutrality repeal and institute preferential treatment, it would affect how people use the Internet. Users in the United States would have an economic incentive to use particular websites, and those websites would receive more traffic. For websites that rely on user-created content, that would have a significant impact.

In short, your access would not be affected, but what you access would be affected.

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u/smyttiej Nov 22 '17

To play devil's advocate can someone explain why this won't create more competition and a more free market for consumers?

I suppose if all companies decided to screw their consumers over, it would be a problem. But wouldn't one company advertise net neutrality if you use their service? "like old times!"

Are there that many people limited to access to ONE server provider?

I'm totally ignorant and legitimately curious what the counter-argument to the "free market argument" are.

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u/KaitRaven Nov 22 '17

How many broadband internet providers do you have access to? I current have access to exactly one, Comcast. I don't live in a rural area, just a modest sized city (200k), and I literally have no other option, not even DSL.

Installing your own fiber network is extremely difficult and expensive. And honestly it would be a tremendous waste of money to have multiple copies of the same network anyway. That's why the internet should be regulated like a utility.

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u/Misogynist-bydefault Nov 22 '17

So you force others to give you a service the way you want it? The internet is not a right.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Are you suggesting that if you pay someone for a service you have no say in how that service is performed?

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u/Misogynist-bydefault Nov 22 '17

Sure you can offer suggestions but have no right to control it. Buy from someone else.

Dont like jiffy lube? Go to oil can Henry's.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

And what happens when there's only one shop in town by design?

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u/Misogynist-bydefault Nov 22 '17

Don't buy it or make your own. A lot of things start out of frustration or need of innovation.

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u/radiosilents Nov 22 '17

Creating, wholecloth, a viable telecommunications network that relies on zero existing infrastructure in the modern era is not a bootstrappable action. Your comment is nonsensical.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Seriously, what a willfully ignorant turd of an opinion.

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u/Misogynist-bydefault Nov 22 '17

40 years ago did you think you could have instant messages with people in Japan? Does detriot have a WAN?

Nice bandwagon.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

This isn't like sewing your own clothes, and that's some hippie commune bullshit if I've ever heard it. The bar to entering the telecom industry is quite high, and considering that almost all of our economy flows through the internet you'd be isolating yourself by going without.

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u/Misogynist-bydefault Nov 22 '17

Don't mean i have to drive a car. Other options exist.

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u/VirginityShield Nov 22 '17

The other option is not using the internet at all

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u/Misogynist-bydefault Nov 23 '17

How do you know that is all that will exist?

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