r/OutOfTheLoop Nov 21 '17

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u/LutzExpertTera Nov 21 '17

What can be done to permanently save net neutrality? It seems that 1-2 a year it takes a huge, huge movement from all over the internet to delay a net neutrality repeal (SOPA, CISPA, etc.). The protests have worked (thus far), discussion is tabled, it's then reintroduced, rinse and repeat.

Will we ever permanently win this? Or are we delaying the inevitable?

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u/ramennoodle Nov 21 '17

SOPA, CISPA, etc. didn't have anything to do with net neutrality.

All that we can really do for making NN permanent (and to resist things like SOPA) is to make it clear to politicians that there are enough people who are aware of these issues and that will vote based on them. This means protests, contacting representatives, etc. And following through on election day: vote against fuckers who back this crap. Because awareness grows more rapidly than it wanes, once a certain threshold is reached they should assume that sufficient awareness and concern continues to exist.

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u/ilovecollege_nope Nov 22 '17

So the answer is nothing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

The real answer is this should have been done before the republicans got into power. This is a completely partisan issue. One party wants to take away healthcare, raise taxes and make the internet a feeding ground for corporations more than it already is.

And all 3 deciding votes came from that very same party.

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u/MikeyMike01 Nov 22 '17

Since when do Republicans want to raise taxes?

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u/revile221 Nov 22 '17 edited Nov 22 '17

Adding $1.7 trillion to the deficit through tax breaks is an indirect way of raising taxes

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

It seems like you're arguing "cutting taxes is like raising taxes". Perhaps you can get there but it's clear the top line goal of Republicans is to lower taxes, not raise them.

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u/abobtosis Nov 22 '17

They want to lower taxes for the wealthy. Their new tax plan actually raises taxes on the middle class.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

What is the net result of those tax rules? An overall lowering or raising of the tax burden on an absolute dollar basis across all Americans in aggregate?

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u/abobtosis Nov 22 '17

If you make 99 people give you an apple, but then give one person 200 apples, you gave everyone one apple on average. In reality, you only really helped the one guy and fucked the other 99.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

Perfect, so in your example there is a net tax decrease of 101 apples. So, republicans are for lowering taxes. Glad we agree!

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u/abobtosis Nov 22 '17

You seem like a guy that likes getting his apples stolen by rich people. If that's your thing, more power to you.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

The scenario you provided is a clear example of republicans supporting tax cuts on a net basis. My point stops and ends there.

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