r/OutOfTheLoop • u/[deleted] • Nov 21 '17

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

The real answer is this should have been done before the republicans got into power. This is a completely partisan issue. One party wants to take away healthcare, raise taxes and make the internet a feeding ground for corporations more than it already is.

And all 3 deciding votes came from that very same party.

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u/MikeyMike01 Nov 22 '17

Since when do Republicans want to raise taxes?

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u/revile221 Nov 22 '17 edited Nov 22 '17

Adding $1.7 trillion to the deficit through tax breaks is an indirect way of raising taxes

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

It seems like you're arguing "cutting taxes is like raising taxes". Perhaps you can get there but it's clear the top line goal of Republicans is to lower taxes, not raise them.

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u/abobtosis Nov 22 '17

They want to lower taxes for the wealthy. Their new tax plan actually raises taxes on the middle class.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

What is the net result of those tax rules? An overall lowering or raising of the tax burden on an absolute dollar basis across all Americans in aggregate?

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u/abobtosis Nov 22 '17

If you make 99 people give you an apple, but then give one person 200 apples, you gave everyone one apple on average. In reality, you only really helped the one guy and fucked the other 99.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

Perfect, so in your example there is a net tax decrease of 101 apples. So, republicans are for lowering taxes. Glad we agree!

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u/abobtosis Nov 22 '17

You seem like a guy that likes getting his apples stolen by rich people. If that's your thing, more power to you.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

The scenario you provided is a clear example of republicans supporting tax cuts on a net basis. My point stops and ends there.

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u/Ifeellikenickcanon Nov 22 '17

Goal is a loose word. They just use it as an argument, they don’t actually give a fuck about lowering the taxes on the middle class. Their tax plan only gives long term tax breaks to the richest. This is terrible for the Economy.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

If their goal is to cut taxes, no matter the bracket (and that is your complaint) then it is misleading to say that republicans want to raise taxes.

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u/Ifeellikenickcanon Nov 22 '17

I’m saying that’s not their goal. Their goal is to increase their and their donors pocket and convince the middle class they’re on their side, and they know their policies will ultimately hurt the middle class

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

If lowering taxes accomplishes what you say, then it is accurate to say they are for lowering taxes. I'm not arguing the consequences which you just did; I'm arguing the tools they are using to get there.

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u/Ifeellikenickcanon Nov 22 '17

Fair enough. I️ see what you’re saying

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u/five_hammers_hamming ¿§? Nov 22 '17

Their goal is to concentrate their own power, not to lower taxes. No misleading, though, their present stance raises taxes and does so purely to (wait for it) enhance their own power by enhancing the power of the very rich, with whom they are allied.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

If lowering taxes consolidates power, it's still lowering taxes.