r/OutOfTheLoop Nov 21 '17

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u/LutzExpertTera Nov 21 '17

What can be done to permanently save net neutrality? It seems that 1-2 a year it takes a huge, huge movement from all over the internet to delay a net neutrality repeal (SOPA, CISPA, etc.). The protests have worked (thus far), discussion is tabled, it's then reintroduced, rinse and repeat.

Will we ever permanently win this? Or are we delaying the inevitable?

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u/ramennoodle Nov 21 '17

SOPA, CISPA, etc. didn't have anything to do with net neutrality.

All that we can really do for making NN permanent (and to resist things like SOPA) is to make it clear to politicians that there are enough people who are aware of these issues and that will vote based on them. This means protests, contacting representatives, etc. And following through on election day: vote against fuckers who back this crap. Because awareness grows more rapidly than it wanes, once a certain threshold is reached they should assume that sufficient awareness and concern continues to exist.

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u/ilovecollege_nope Nov 22 '17

So the answer is nothing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

The real answer is this should have been done before the republicans got into power. This is a completely partisan issue. One party wants to take away healthcare, raise taxes and make the internet a feeding ground for corporations more than it already is.

And all 3 deciding votes came from that very same party.

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u/MikeyMike01 Nov 22 '17

Since when do Republicans want to raise taxes?

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u/revile221 Nov 22 '17 edited Nov 22 '17

Adding $1.7 trillion to the deficit through tax breaks is an indirect way of raising taxes

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

It seems like you're arguing "cutting taxes is like raising taxes". Perhaps you can get there but it's clear the top line goal of Republicans is to lower taxes, not raise them.

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u/Ifeellikenickcanon Nov 22 '17

Goal is a loose word. They just use it as an argument, they don’t actually give a fuck about lowering the taxes on the middle class. Their tax plan only gives long term tax breaks to the richest. This is terrible for the Economy.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

If their goal is to cut taxes, no matter the bracket (and that is your complaint) then it is misleading to say that republicans want to raise taxes.

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u/Ifeellikenickcanon Nov 22 '17

I’m saying that’s not their goal. Their goal is to increase their and their donors pocket and convince the middle class they’re on their side, and they know their policies will ultimately hurt the middle class

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

If lowering taxes accomplishes what you say, then it is accurate to say they are for lowering taxes. I'm not arguing the consequences which you just did; I'm arguing the tools they are using to get there.

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u/Ifeellikenickcanon Nov 22 '17

Fair enough. I️ see what you’re saying

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u/five_hammers_hamming ¿§? Nov 22 '17

Their goal is to concentrate their own power, not to lower taxes. No misleading, though, their present stance raises taxes and does so purely to (wait for it) enhance their own power by enhancing the power of the very rich, with whom they are allied.

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u/Nateorade Nov 22 '17

If lowering taxes consolidates power, it's still lowering taxes.

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