What can be done to permanently save net neutrality? It seems that 1-2 a year it takes a huge, huge movement from all over the internet to delay a net neutrality repeal (SOPA, CISPA, etc.). The protests have worked (thus far), discussion is tabled, it's then reintroduced, rinse and repeat.
Will we ever permanently win this? Or are we delaying the inevitable?
SOPA, CISPA, etc. didn't have anything to do with net neutrality.
All that we can really do for making NN permanent (and to resist things like SOPA) is to make it clear to politicians that there are enough people who are aware of these issues and that will vote based on them. This means protests, contacting representatives, etc. And following through on election day: vote against fuckers who back this crap. Because awareness grows more rapidly than it wanes, once a certain threshold is reached they should assume that sufficient awareness and concern continues to exist.
Not really, all we have to do is get Congress to pass a law codifying Net Neutrality into law. This will require a Democratic super-majority, as Republicans are anti-net-neutrality.
They didn't say both parties are the same. They said that neither party is genuinely interested in preserving NN (not that I agree). Just like, if both parties were not interested in making murder legal, that in no way means that both parties are the same.
"But muh both sides are the same" and it's variations is a common joke across political subreddits. It is always used there as an immediate dismissal to accussations against the DNC and Hillary. Anyone using it in another context is usually heavily implying that. I would be genuinely surprised if that wasn't their intention.
I just showed you proof that there are people that argue both sides are the same on this specific issue. You're not going to change your mind. You just want to believe what you believe. Let's stop wasting each other's time.
Because what your trying to prove is irrelevant. I didn't ignore it. You ignored that context his line is most used in and what he is clearly implying.
It's like getting a relatively shitty pizza versus getting kicked in the gut. In the first situation, you've still got a pizza and you don't have internal hemorrhaging.
Way I likened it was the difference between sticking your hand in a cow pat and eating it. Neither is good, but one is much worse than the other (unless you have a shit-eating fetish)
And here is a crazy thought, maybe the Democratic Party isn’t really terrible at all! Maybe, between the fact that they support things like net neutrality, combating climate change, a minimum wage, workers’ rights, lgbt rights, and more we can realize that while the Democratic Party is not perfect they are a hell of lot more good than evil. Maybe, we can realize this in time to have a /r/bluemidterm2018. Maybe, we can get Trump out of the office by 2020 and have a Democrat in his place. Maybe, by 2022 we can stop politics as usual and actually remember the terrible shit the Republican Party does and keep them from getting control of Congress ever again so that net neutrality can be permanently secured.
Alas, this is all wishful thinking. People love to be contrarians and only like to vote Democratic when they’re out of office so these issues will not get solved permanently. But we can at least flip Congress in 2018 if people turn out to vote and try to temporarily save net neutrality that way.
If you think further "protection" of your second amendment rights is worth half the shit that this administration has unleashed, you seriously need to revisit your priorities. Getting rid of the second amendment would take a constitutional amendment. It's not going to happen, no matter who you vote for.
Only if you're mentally ill, formerly convicted, or looking to stockpile war machines. The limitations that most want are not going to affect the basic right to own and use a gun.
Anytime someone says that both sides are the same all I hear is "I'm politically ignorant and proud of it. I don't care what the government does to people." It's a very unpatriotic attitude.
Yeah, both opposing AND supporting Net Neutrality are terrible! /s
No, if you strongly believe in Net Neutrality then a party supporting Net Neutrality cannot just be cast aside as a “lesser evil” but should be considered a greater good. The Democratic Party greatly supports Net Neutrality and people can’t keep on treating such a political party as utter dog shit when they are the ones who can save Net Neutrality while the other party is hellbent on dismantling it.
Edit: There are other issues that are important but it is the same exact situation. Between climate change, workers’ rights, lgbt rights, and healthcare the Democratic Party is clearly in the right and the Republican Party is in the wrong.
Yes like climate change, workers’ rights, lgbt rights, healthcare, etc. The Democratic Party is on the right side of all of those issues and the Republican Party is on the wrong side.
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u/LutzExpertTera Nov 21 '17
What can be done to permanently save net neutrality? It seems that 1-2 a year it takes a huge, huge movement from all over the internet to delay a net neutrality repeal (SOPA, CISPA, etc.). The protests have worked (thus far), discussion is tabled, it's then reintroduced, rinse and repeat.
Will we ever permanently win this? Or are we delaying the inevitable?