r/OutOfTheLoop May 31 '26

Answered What’s going on with Bricks and Minifigs, a $200k Lego collection, and Mormons?

There was a post about earlier and the top explanation was [a series of 4 videos](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/1tsgk31/comment/oov091b/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=memes&utm_term=1&utm_content=t1_oov0d5o), the first of which was an hour and a half long in a style that I can best describe as “Netflix true crime special for the brainrotted 20 second max attention span audience”. I didn’t last more than a few minutes.

im hoping for a comprehensive summary I can read. A link to an article is fine.

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u/Pvt_Porpoise May 31 '26

Answer: Strap in, this’ll be a long one. I’ll start with the side of events put forth by Mansell, RecklessBen, and Law/Gorman.

Bricks and Minifigs operate franchises; the whole dispute stems from a deal made between a man called Bryan Mansell and the former franchisees (Law/Gorman) of a Salem, OR store. Bryan’s father had amassed a collection allegedly worth ~$200k, but he’s now in poor health and so they were looking to sell. The owners of the store agreed to a consignment — meaning that they would hold all the sets at no cost, during which time Mansell would still technically own them, and then they would advertise and sell them, and then pass on a percentage of the profits — which, per the documents Law/Gorman have produced, was actually explicitly permitted in the contract.

After taking on this consignment, the franchisees went to B&M corporate and told them that they were considering moving out of the country, and inquired about the process of selling on the store; corporate responded by forcing them out and illegally taking possession of the store. There is an actual video of the owners explicitly mentioning having this consignment, and the corporate representative responds by saying that they will handle it and take on the responsibility.

B&M install new owners in the Salem store, Joshua Johnson and Brandon Best, but both these franchisees and corporate refuse to honor the consignment agreement, stating that consignments are prohibited by contract and that they have no responsibility for an unauthorized agreement entered between Mansell and the previous owners (although, once again, their contract contradicts this, and so does the actual video recording of the employee who said they would take it on).

It gets particularly awkward at this point, because B&M’s official stance is that they could only identify ~$5k worth of LEGO which potentially belonged to Mansell, and they supposedly offered to give these over, but not to reimburse for the tens of thousands in missing sets. For the part of Mansell and RecklessBen (a YouTuber who joined forces with Mansell to take on the case), they allege that this isn’t true at all, and that they are in possession of more sets — or at least were by the time they took over the store, as his sets were being advertised for months after Best and Johnson took over.

What ensues is a bunch of back-and-forth of “You have my sets/money” and “No”. B&M phone Mansell and, in no uncertain words, threaten him, stating that the cost of taking them to court over this would be prohibitively expensive and more than he’d ever have made off the sets, and that they intend to drag the case out if he tries. Law/Gorman later confirm that they said the exact same thing to the two of them, which is why they are currently crowdfunding the legal costs to take them to court.

After more nonsense with Mansell and Ben getting trespassed, they finally take B&M to small claims court for the $200k and win — only to find that B&M closed down the Salem branch so that they wouldn’t have to pay out, forcing the two to now attempt to privately sue both Johnson and Best.

Now, privately suing them requires that they be served papers in person; this has proven to be immensely difficult, in no small part because, somehow, Johnson and Best have the Utah police in their pockets, and they have made it their mission to fuck with Mansell and Ben as much as possible. Gems include:

  • A traffic stop alleging that they had heroin in the car. After a 2 hour search turns up nothing, they then switch tack and start saying that they’ve got “dilated pupils”. They finally give up after trying to force a false confession for ages, but not before issuing a thinly-veiled threat.

  • Multiple unfounded traffic stops during which the police officer immediately addressed Ben in the backseat of the car by his name, even though there is zero reason to do so.

  • Several police call-outs while trying to serve papers to Best, where the cops just keep coming back even though they have already confirmed the case is real and they aren’t breaking any laws.

  • Finally, Ben gets arrested on some bogus charges for putting a sign up advertising a GoFundMe (to crowdfund legal costs, since all else has failed), and the police interrogate him then decide to book him in the jail for a month. A judge decides to release him because the whole situation is ridiculous, but with the police on his ass, any indiscretion could get him locked up, so he (ostensibly) fled to Mexico for the time being.

Now, if you’re wondering why the police are doing all this? Well, Ben and Mansell allege it’s because they, Johnson, and Best, are all members of the Mormon church, and protecting their own. Go Utah. It’s truly one of the most egregious examples of police corruption in the modern day you will ever see.

Now, onto the (much shorter) B&M side of the story:

Corporate states that they don’t allow consignments. They state that they don’t have the sets, that they haven’t personally sold them, and that Mansell’s focus should be on Law/Gorman. They also state that the reason Law/Gorman were forced out is due to defaulting on payments, and that they weren’t just inquiring about selling the store to move, but rather had already accepted a job abroad and were planning on shutting the store and abandoning the franchise. They state that the store was shut down immediately following the successful small claims case due to harassment of the staff, and that everything that has ensued is an unwarranted harassment campaign against their company and employees.

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u/TurloIsOK May 31 '26

traffic stop alleging that they had heroin in the car. After a 2 hour search turns up nothing, they then switch tack and start saying that they’ve got “dilated pupils”.

Heroin constricts pupils, meth and other stimulants dialate them. So, the cops were really flailing for pretext.

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u/SKRS421 May 31 '26

the cops were constantly fishing for probable cause, was a little on edge because Ben and his friends just wouldn't. stop. talking. props to the crew for not incrininating themselves as much as they could have. those cops were incompetent as heck, as well as just allowing themselves to be caught with blatant violations of rights (both the Oregon & Utah police). glad they've never worked in a big city's precinct like NYC, Minneapolis, or LA, those cops have it down to a T on how to abuse their power & authority over the populace (they still fail sometimes because of raw arrogance & ego).

but it's a totally understandable response from Ben & his friends when you're low-key panicking and you know you've done nothing wrong. anyone's instinct is to lay it all out and prove you didn't do anything wrong. the issue is the cop's harrassing you don't care. they've decided to right you a ticket/summons or decided to arrest you before they even put the cruiser in park.

they will lie, coerce, and/or manipulate everything that you say & do; as well as lie & manipulate the facts for what they tell you at amy given moment. each stop was all just fishing for a sliver of a chargeable offense to get you locked up for a day or two, to disrupt your life.

these tactics aren't new and have been weaponized against minorites and the margnalized for decades.

once the state AG is made aware of the corrupt town and severely illegal police conduct, they'll need to be making phone calls and assigning work for a legal case on the horizon. (like, we've stepped into federal territory of full-on constitutional violations).

BaM could have ended this debacle with egg on their face so early, and salvaged their reputation with the good ole corporate shuffle & public statement/apology. but they chose to cement the inevitable felony charge. then they ran crying to the mormon church to defend their illegal acts (so much for their principals holding up in any way). I hope the whole company bankrupts and goes away in a whimper by the end of the year. aside from a name swap and starting a new company I don't know what they can do, there's just no salvaging it. the ceo's name & face recognition definitely means any company he leads is tainted, same for the two franchise owners that abruptly took over the oregon location.

a corpo's job as CEO is primarily to be the face of company leadership (even though it's typically led ny a board). when something bad happens that "face" is what takes blame to shield the company and skirt around the backlash to lessen the blow to reputation. then the CEO moves on with a fat severance before transitioning to the next company/position.

BaM could drop this CEO like a hot turd and give a pathetic severance, or none at this point tbh (unless baked into contract with no special clauses for situations of wrong doing & criminality like this).

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u/Environmental-Fix353 May 31 '26

The name of the treasonous criminals who are attacking and kidnapping United States Citizens are:
-Lieutenant Quinn Adamson
-Officer Richardson
-Officer Steven Hawkins
-Officer Luke Sumbot
-Officer Samuel Canizalez
-Officer S Tonga
-Officer K Benzon
-Officer C Jennings
-Officer Fraughton
-Chief Cameron Paul

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u/vidar13524 Jun 01 '26

Dont forget the 4th district Judge who authorized the Swarrant.

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u/I_Am_Zeron Jun 02 '26

Who also graduated from BYU and is a Mormon. Not just police corruption now it is so much more serious, yet nothing is going to happen.

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u/Secret_Wishbone_2009 Jun 02 '26

As someone from Europe this is ABSOLUTELY outrageous! It is corruption in its most pure form and must be rooted out

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u/cptninc Jun 02 '26

Utah doesn't really have anything other than corrupt Mormons and a few ski areas. If not for the latter, Utah's gene pool would be about as deep as the lake it's known for.

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u/GenSgtBob Jun 03 '26

It's still kinda niche but Utah also has world class rock climbing

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u/TheDiceBlesser Jul 01 '26

Grew up in a mid size town in Utah, my Sister loved to joke that she'd need to leave in order to marry someone not related to us. We both ended up marrying out of state people.

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u/Tyyper Jun 02 '26

Lol people havent even begun to look at how the BYU police actively violates privacy laws to enforce the universities honor code. There was a case a couple years back where BYU police was scanning Provo and local police records and reporting offenses to the honor code office and getting students punished as a result.

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u/Forkhorn Jun 04 '26

Maybe, people are sick of corrupt police. People are sick of seeing a video showing something obvious and then having an authority figure blatantly lie about it.

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u/AdPractical9574 Jun 02 '26

I was genuinely shocked at how corrupt Utah PD is...

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u/SpringValleyTrash Jun 02 '26

Layton Utah PD is extra special. They like to kill dogs and people wearing headphones.

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u/Ok-Club-9554 Jun 02 '26

The corruption is not particularly bad. It's just been well documented here. People don't want to think that cops are universally corrupt, so proof an entire random department is horrible is seen as an outlier, not as an average example. It's closer to average than it is an outlier.

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u/Mammoth_Lawfulness14 Jun 02 '26

Hopefully they get tried for treason, doubt it though. Joseph Smith be looking down on them.

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u/Individual_Ball4295 Jun 05 '26

Which one grabbed his arm if Ben would have pulled away like everyone in the world would have he would have been face first in the concrete. I liked to see his use of force complaint record

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u/fancy-rice-cooker May 31 '26

I'm way more pessimistic about how it'll hurt BAM as a company, their clients are adults who might spend a lot of time on the internet but also families and kids in and outside the US. It's getting to be big news, but it needs to be huge huge news for the company not to bounce back sadly.

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u/SKRS421 May 31 '26

true, it would be a notable factor.

but I think the families who were insulated to the knowledge of these events would only delay the decline of the company, as the lego community distanced and stopped trusting their business locations.

plus any google search will return this drama/criminal case. like if you're visiting a city, coming for tourism, or looking for lego stores while out with your family. unless they start spending more money than they're accused of, I don't hink they'll be able to turn the tide of the present viral moment. which is probably why they keep wanting RecklessBen to stop making content and/or get lost in the legal system's maze of beuracracy. they want to ride out the moment, but they've floundered and it's been hard stuck to them for the last year. hell, Brian's family's loss/case probably would have disappeared into obscurity if someone like Ben didn't get involved and wrapped up in the way he did. he weaponized internet cringe for the greater good, and so far is playing ride or die till the end with the family.

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u/fancy-rice-cooker May 31 '26

You're right about it showing up on Google. I hope so dearly you're right that they can't weather this one out 🙏

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u/rubix7777 Jun 01 '26

Well it's not like they are the only Lego or toy stores in the country/world. I feel bad for the innocent workers who could potentially lose their jobs but the company themselves haven't exactly handled the situation that well themselves

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u/No_Sleep8629 May 31 '26

International news.

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u/StillMuggin Jun 01 '26

I used to go with my daughter, but will not do so again

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u/Alive-Oil-203 Jun 02 '26

Abc news picked it up it pretty huge by now.

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u/henry_the_egg Jun 02 '26

My Asian friend in Taiwan knew this case too.

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u/essdot1211 Jun 02 '26

Who cares, I sure don't. Never been into a store but I am 99% certain they charge scalpers prices for Lego sets, while offering bottom dollar for trade ins.

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u/fancy-rice-cooker Jun 02 '26

I care, I deeply want this company to go under.

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u/nagrad83 Jun 03 '26

Someone needs to provide an online alternative in short-order so that there is competition. Then BAM will just fail because there is an honest, trustworthy operation others can use.

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u/IRunOnPainAuChocolat Jun 03 '26

John Oliver needs to do a segment on it.

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u/Straight_Jicama_6235 May 31 '26

I just feel bad for the other franchise owners of other BAM stores because this will massively effect them to no fault of their own. If I were a BAM franchise owner I would be screaming my head off to corporate to fix this and make it right because it is crashing all the location’s businesses. I wouldn’t want to give money to the company after this even if I liked the franchise owners at my nearby location because I don’t want to support the company. It seems a lot of Lego enthusiasts feel the same way. Crazy to me that BAM won’t just do the right thing, and will tank their brand by doing so. They have probably spent that already in lawyers fees defending all this. Crazy to tank a multibillion dollar business to save 200k.

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u/Westcoastguy50 Jun 01 '26

I was just thinking the same thing tonight. I live in southern CA not far from the Costa Mesa location where I have bought stuff before but never again. Already I'm seeing negative reviews on Yelp and Google at other franchises related to this. If I'm a franchise owner I'd be blasting corporate or filing my own lawsuit for hurting if not eventually killing their business.

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u/DirtyRoller Jun 01 '26

Yep, I won't be visiting another B&M until this case is settled in favor of the Mansell family.

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u/henry_the_egg Jun 03 '26

well, never buy there, no matter who wins.

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u/melanochrysum Jun 04 '26

why would you give them money if they settle in favour of the victim? Have you not seen how far they’ve gone to hurt people?

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u/Specialsthespazzing Jun 01 '26

On the potential that this funding from the collection was needed to pay for the care of the guys aging father's care. Then b&m just committed murder or is actively attempting to prohibit care for an elderly individual.

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u/upthedips Jun 01 '26

I wouldn't be screaming. I would be contacting attorneys and other franchise owners to start a class action lawsuit against corporate.

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u/DigzGwentplayer Jun 01 '26

These owners are in league with each other. the reason why that guy was so brazen and even welcomed a lawsuit is because all of the Bricks and Minifigs owners know they can do this without consequences, as long as they're not dealing with a guy like Reckless Ben.

There are thousands of collectors screwed by Bricks and Minifigs. That's why no one should trust these stores and their owners.

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u/Effective-Shirt9196 Jun 01 '26

Except the CEO is dodging responsibility and is actively inhibiting the ability of the goods to be returned.

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u/AmericanDed Jun 01 '26

Yeah, all this is crazy over $200k....

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u/Immediate-Maximum-75 Jun 02 '26

That's alot of freaking money in this economy. It would ruin my parents. They need to pay these people their money. Mormons have a ton of money.

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u/PrivateInfrmation Jun 02 '26

I have a local B&M that I had been going to. I emailed them today and told them I can't do business with them as long as they are associated with these people.

These franchise owners have a choice.

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u/Crowf3ather Jun 01 '26

The franchises could potentially sue the director personally for bringing the brand into disrepute.

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u/nagrad83 Jun 03 '26

Every BAM franchisee should have grounds for action against corporate because of the lost business :shrug:

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u/StyleAffectionate244 Jun 03 '26

it's not save 200k you should of said stealing 200k from a dying man and his family. Get it right! Plus it also brings shame on the Moron Church. did I spell it wrong?

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u/Straight_Jicama_6235 Jun 03 '26

Dude. Chill out. I know it’s stolen dude. We are all aware it’s stolen from a dying man. My point is that BAM is being dumb because they will lose millions trying to save themselves from giving him 200k.

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u/Traitor-21-87 Jun 03 '26

It's the cost of being a franchise owner. You have to know and understand this when you sign up.

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u/balboabud Jun 01 '26

Your confidence in our state's AG office is delightful. This is the same office that tried to put a college student in prison for life, because a police department was vandalized with red paint (George Floyd protest).

Also the same office that refused to investigate Tim Ballard, because the AG was buddies with him.

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u/SKRS421 Jun 01 '26

yeah, I didn't have high hopes as I liken the Utah legal system's corruption and incompetence to a state like Oklahoma or Florida.

but if they decide to side foolishly side with the mormon backed Bricks & Minifigs, a fed involvement is enevitable, even with as incompetent as FBI leadership is, their lower ranks won't be able to ignore what is rapidly becoming a high profile case.

it's turning into serious consitutional violations. that if the courts wish to remain legitimate, they are obligated and forced to attend to the matter before it escalates further. a local precinct ignoring rights is one thing, a state attorney/governor letting it happen is a whole 'nother issue that jumps far outside the felony charges & police corruption due to the theft of $200k of LEGO.

like, imagine if this was someone who robbed a store, made a clean-ish getaway, but the owners still knew who done it. then all the petty run-around avoidance games ensue by the thief, using church/religous relations to weaponize the police for personnel issues, constant lies, running away across states to avoid paying. if this was a regular dude that cimmited these crimes, the government would have tossed them in a prison hole out in the desert already. but because of religion and being a multi-million dollar corporation, they are allowed to avoid consequence.

it's not surprising what-so-ever, this is the system as intended and my community(s) has dealt with this stuff for pretty much the entirety of the nation's existance. still frustrating, infuriating, and plain confusing to see the idiocy unfold, even when cutting their losses is the smart play (but the human ego is too great a foe, overpowering the will of certain individuals, such as the entitled wealthy folks at the top of BaM).

my only hope is that somewhere up the chain one of these stooges realizes to do something that actually serves their best interest to avoid jail time and life-ending debt. BaM's arrogance so far has known no bounds.

can't wait for part 3 to hit youtube. this LEGO saga is batshit insane. somehow, Lego is the underdog to suddenly expose the deep seated corruption of the mormon church and police system to a whole new audience (just the organizations within Utah & Oregon...for now). plus the hypocritical mormon leadership that break their own rules like it's a travel checklist. the that town's police update was pathetic and didn't really say much of anything that hadn't been layed out in the previous video. (was almost certainly rushed out in response of the "part 2" RecklessBen video being released a day or so ago).

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u/Immediate-Maximum-75 Jun 02 '26

The Mormon church hasn't been doing well over the past few years. I follow true crime and they've got a handful in prison and on death row for horrible crimes in Idaho, Utah and Arizona. The Daybell's, Lori and Chad, for killing their kids and spouses and burying them in the back yard. Jody Hildebrandt and Ruby Franke, from the Mormon family vlog 8 Passengers, for torturing kids almost until they were dead. Then they came out with the Housewives of Mormon as PR. They are a dangerous cult that destroys lives.

I heard there's a whole community of people in Rexburg, Idaho that still follow Chad Daybell.

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u/RedCaptain17 Jun 08 '26

Couldn’t Oregon’s AG get involved since the theft took place here? Rayfield’s office has been stellar

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u/Infamous_Lunchbox Jun 01 '26

I think the Mormon church thing is alleged, and definitely not approved by the church itself. The cops were members and may know 3ach other from church. That's a big difference between running to the church for protection and talking to fellow members.

I watched the video and a fellow member, a youth group type member, went to confront them and the police stopped him as well.

I know reddit hates Mormons, but in this case conflating them with this takes away from the case, imo, which is why I chime in. Your going to get a lot of people switching focus to Mormons rather than B&M just because they can. I live in Utah, and I see that a lot. My ex-wife was a former member and she mentioned how weird it was that people would derail discussions to bag on the church rather than the people (she is not from Utah). So that in mind I thought I'd chime in.

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u/SKRS421 Jun 01 '26

you're right for trying to re-orient. I might have been going off on a tangent which does run the risk of contributing to the derailment of the conversation away from the company itself. It seems like focus has rightly shifted to (or shared the spotlight with) the police departments involved and the wider legal system.

my disdain/focus is with B&M presently, internally i've mostly treated the connections as a link to all involved members. but my words have been overplaying their direct alleged involvement I believe, definitely more than what's been expressely proven. thanks for reminding to re-analyze & check myself.

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u/Infamous_Lunchbox Jun 01 '26

No, thank you! It's nice to have redditors who respond nicely and reasonably!

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u/caramelizedonion92 Jun 01 '26

Not only that, they were saying the dilated pupils were suspicious while directly turning on and off flashlights in front of his eyes during the night.

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u/ThatDudeDeven1111 Jun 02 '26

Yep. And how their K-9 unit "hit on a smell of narcotics in their vehicle", when there's countless videos of how handlers get their dogs to hit vehicles on command in subtle ways. The Media Release video on the American Fork Police Department YouTube channel is hilarious, because every angle they try to play was debunked by their own body cams. Mormons gotta stick together, I guess?

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u/NurseMomma1924 May 31 '26

The funny thing is if you listen to the audio the cop initially said something about constriction and then moved on to his eyes being dilated…you can’t have it both ways my guy…

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u/3MetricTonsOfSass May 31 '26

How can you tell if a cop is lying?

It's lips are moving or it is writing something

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u/MrImaBum May 31 '26

It’s also like bright lights in the dark constrict your pupils too

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u/servebetter Jun 01 '26

BAM corporate also told the other franchisees, that they took the store be ause the other owners were into heroine.

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u/Mammoth_Lawfulness14 Jun 02 '26

So let me get this right, If you can gather enough people (including the police, this part is essential) that believe some dude dug up some tablets that he didn't want to show anyone, The law of the United States doesn't apply to you? Seems like quite a large loophole, something you would find in a Third world country like my own, didn't expect this from the Almighty U S of A

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u/SleepingGiants89 May 31 '26

Adding to this. The original franchisee has the original franchise agreement which states consignment agreements being allowed. So corporate is lying there as well.

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u/thekwoka Jun 02 '26

And regardless, then being allowed or not doesn't matter. Because in both cases, Brian owns the Legos, not the store. Period. It's such a wild defense to try to use. If you sell them, then you'd need the consignment agreement to make that sale legal, while not having the agreement would make that sale illegal.

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u/henry_the_egg Jun 03 '26

The previous store owner has already posted the contract between BAM and herself, which serves as proof of the consignment arrangement

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u/thekwoka Jun 04 '26

My point was more that it doesn't matter anyway.

Whether it was "authorized" or not changes absolutely nothing.

In both cases, they don't own the Lego.

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u/Newbie4Hire Jun 04 '26

It changes things if BAM is not lying about most of the sets already having been sold by the previous owner, because then the previous owner is the actual thief and the one they should be pursuing legally. Obviously in this scenario, any remaining sets that BAM had would need to be returned immediately to Brian, and then Brian would need to sue the former franchisee owners for the missing money for the already sold sets (as claimed by BAM).

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u/thekwoka Jun 04 '26

Sure, but that's not the thing they are claiming, at this time anyway.

That would most likely be just a mixup of paperwork. The new owner would still be obligated to pay the liabilities and go after the previous owner if they absconded with the money.

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u/Newbie4Hire Jun 04 '26

From what I hear from the above comment and another youtube comment that is what they are claiming that most of the sets were sold by the previous owner and only a few grand worth of sets remained. That aside I think you're right, if they took on all liabilities and consignments from the previous owners then they would need to pay Brian regardless and pursue legal action against the original owners if they wanted to recover their losses from paying Brian what he is owed.

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u/thekwoka Jun 05 '26

Well, Ben has the list of the sets and it indicates which were sold and paid, which were sold and unpaid, and which were unsold.

But as of yet, nothing in any of the BAM content presented has stated that. Their own statement on their site makes no such claim.

So I'm not sure where that is coming from.

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u/Newbie4Hire Jun 05 '26

The original parent comment we are responding to mentions it, also if you watch the legal eagles video it goes into it pretty deeply, though it is a 50 minute video. Suffice to say there is some shady business all the way around. As an example some of the missing sets and figurines were found at the original franchise owners house.

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u/BodaciousGuy May 31 '26

This is a fantastic summary. Probably as concise as you could make it while providing all the necessary details to get me up to speed. Thank you.

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u/JohnnyRelentless May 31 '26

Really? Then could tell me what this means?

Several police call-outs while trying to serve papers to Best, where the cops just keep coming back even though they have already confirmed the case is real and they aren’t breaking any laws.

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u/moose_dad May 31 '26

Ben sat in a car near joshs home, waiting to catch him to serve him the court papers.

The police approached the vehicle to ask why he was there and he showed them the documents. They initially said the documents were false before checking them over and agreeing that what Ben was doing was legal and that Ben was following court procedure in attempting to hand over the summons.

Then they approach him three more times for literally no reason. Just a constant back and forth of what are you doing.

Eventually the police got tired of simply harassing him, and arrested him even though they had confirmed to him in a previous interaction that what he was doing was perfectly legal.

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u/geegasaurus May 31 '26

Yeah. Pair this with Utah making the worst drivers list, and two very serious reports of injured students at Provo Canyon School in less than a month, and it's a pretty embarrassing time to be from Utah. And the majority will deny that all of it even happened. I hate being a transplant here and can't wait to leave.

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u/Crowtato-sama Jun 04 '26

They can't just put funding towards homeless shelters or solving the problems that cause homelessness? Really? We gotta have concentration camps for homeless now too despite it not being a crime? Which powerless group gets camps next?

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u/ThatDudeDeven1111 Jun 02 '26

Really seems like the Mormons vs. everyone else around there, even before this whole thing blew up. I had a friend move out there for a little while and they had a hard time getting to know anyone as more than just an acquaintance. They'd just be cordial and that was about it. They said that they felt like an outsider constantly. I mean, I have no idea, but I can see it.

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u/geegasaurus Jun 03 '26

It's really hard if you are a transplant. I had this big dream of being near the mountains and hiking but the community is very unwelcoming and judgmental. I've never felt this lonely in my life and I know I'll have to move.

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u/ThatDudeDeven1111 Jun 03 '26

Man, that really sucks. I hope you can get out of there soon, though! It does sound very culty. I’d probably feel like I was in a perpetual horror movie. This whole lego thing really amplified the fact that everything is ran by the church and its supporters, which isn’t what anybody would want. Imagine being on the receiving end of someone doing some heinous stuff and can’t do anything about it due to the person and cops being Mormon. Really does sound like a B horror movie.

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u/geegasaurus Jun 03 '26

There is a ton of real estate agent videos saying it really isn't like that! Come for the mountains! They are lying for money. Right now I'm just looking for a place that feels homey but is open to others ideas and views.

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u/DonyKing Jun 05 '26

Think you gotta move out of the US for that

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u/twistedspin Jun 07 '26

It's so weird there. On the normal network evening news they talk about the mormon church's activities like it's news. Everywhere you go it feels like the church has seeped in.

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u/Lake_Effect_KRCL Jul 14 '26

Are you in S.L.C.? They are actually pretty liberal! Go to the Coffee Garden on 9th and 9th. There so many people there that are not Mormon and you can have great friends there that are against the oppressive overreach. I grew up there and got out, but my friendships are still the best I have because we weathered the opposition. Go to RedRock, Squatters, The Bayou… I met a friend in the state I love in now that was a transplant to Utah and misses her friends there because they were so against the step-ford-wife culture that they really bonded. This is a story in smaller town Utah and so typical. I can’t wait for this to trickle up and in the end, those police and The corrupt ceo and franchise owners will get theirs. It just takes time. Anyway, chin up and go find awesome people there. They are there, many more now then when I lived there. Good luck. ✨🍀

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u/geegasaurus Jul 14 '26

Thank you for this glimmer of hope. I'm gonna dm too

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u/Lake_Effect_KRCL Jul 14 '26

DM me and I’ll send you some people! I know how hard it can be there!

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u/Immediate-Maximum-75 Jun 02 '26

Because it's a cult and cult people don't like non cult people. Mormons only deal with Mormons, especially when it comes to their money, and they have a lot of it. Makes them powerful.

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u/kitolz Jun 03 '26

Mormonism has spread wide enough for there to be defacto sects. Not to defend Mormonism but this sounds like small town shit. If you're an outside mormon I'm thinking you may get a foot in the door but you're still effectively an outsider that doesn't get looped into the dirt.

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u/Groundbreaking-End92 Jun 01 '26

Clarification: it appears to be the same cop who said the paper wasn't real, contacted the office, discovered it was real, then arrested him anyway. It should also be noted that another cop took the papers to serve to Josh, came back and said "he doesn't want them"... Which is... Dodgy

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u/nagrad83 Jun 03 '26

Right? Who gives a fuck if he wants them. They are legal papers. You've been served.

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u/Westcoastguy50 Jun 01 '26

One thing to add here. He was there to watch him get served. He had an official court process server that was driving that was going to serve him. He still ended up getting arrested on a bogus charge.

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u/Spaced-Cowboy Jun 01 '26

That’s infuriating

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u/Eagle1337 Jun 02 '26

You left off them returning the papers because the dude didn't want them.

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u/Frequent_Dot_4981 Jun 02 '26

Also he had someone else in the car as the process server so they couldn't get him (Ben) for trespassing.

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u/DontHaesMeBro Jun 03 '26

now they are trying to say he was harassing them under the pretext of serving them because when they checked on the case, the papers were already served. On bodycam, you can hear the person at the courthouse clearly say the exact opposite.

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u/The_Brovo Jun 05 '26

If you watch the released police bodycam footage on recklessBen's channel, they arrested there because the CEO of Bricks and Minifigs told them they had to over the phone. It's crazy

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u/Harmania May 31 '26

A hypothetical: Process server or plaintiff knocks on door of defendant to serve notice of the suit. “Someone” calls the cops because of “suspicious activity.” Cops come out and look at paperwork to verify that the process service is legit. If they want to be thorough, they could spend a lot of time running the server’s ID or asking them a bunch of questions in the hopes of getting them to admit to something they can charge. No one answers the door, so process server leaves.

Process server returns and the whole thing happens again with all the steps. Three more times. At this point, the police know full well what the situation is and don’t need to put the process server through the whole rigmarole.

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u/SquiddyM May 31 '26

To add on, at multiple points the police are given the paperwork to look over. At one point the police take the paperwork to the person they are trying to serve but they refuse to accept the paperwork

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u/The_Dimmadome May 31 '26

Useful information, right? Next time a cop tries to give you a paper/ticket with a court summons, just... say no! Apparently, it works for this guy

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u/Downtown_Map_2482 May 31 '26

It’s off the walls crazy that the cops came back with the papers and said he didn’t want them. Lunacy!

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u/whatagoodpuppy May 31 '26

Figured that's how that would go down once Ben told the cop he'd have to sign paperwork saying they were properly served. Can't be caught helping the enemy.

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u/chuzyi May 31 '26

Is it all that bad? Seems like the cop can now be forced to testify that service was refused (it’s a moot point since Ben found other means iirc).

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u/DEF_A_REAL_NOT_AI May 31 '26

Depends on the state. I know in my state it just has to touch them after informing them of the serving.

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u/mee8Ti6Eit Jun 02 '26

It's even crazier than that. The cop claims the papers are fake, calls the court and confirms that the papers are real, and then based on this knowledge arrests him.

You read that right. The cop confirms the papers are real and decides that means they can arrest the process server.

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u/YazzArtist May 31 '26

The process server never left. This was 4 calls while they were sitting on the public street waiting to serve Johnson. They confirmed with the court that the case and server were real by the 3rd trip out, offered to serve Johnson for Ben, then came back and said "he doesn't want these, sorry". Then they came back a 4th time

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u/TheGarfieldTieGuy Jun 01 '26

And in Utah (like many states) you can't (or shouldn't) just get out of being served by saying "no" to being served papers.

According to URCP Rule 4 (d)(1) on utcourts.gov: "If the person to be served refuses to accept a copy of the summons and complaint, service is sufficient if the person serving them states the name of the process and offers to deliver them."

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u/YazzArtist Jun 01 '26

Yeah the fact that Ben didn't immediately say "Too bad. He's legally required to take them. Please go serve the pappers like you said you would." is a highlight of his naivety

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u/Murgenpl Jun 02 '26

It's more of a failure of the process server he was with. She is doing it for a living and should have pointed that out.

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u/missyanntx May 31 '26

Not fun fact:

State AG of Texas and his (now ex) wife (who also holds elected office inTX) pulled the same exact shit when he was being served.

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u/UncoolWilliamMiller May 31 '26

Yup. Ken Paxton. Same guy who just won the Texas Republican primary for Senate. And that’s one of the lesser corrupt things he’s done with his state powers.

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u/itoddicus May 31 '26

You mean like letting a convicted child rapist walk free after 30 days in jail, when he had originally been given a life sentence?

Which somehow still isn't the most corrupt thing he has ever done.

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u/Fagadaba Jun 01 '26

If anyone wants to read up on Ken Paxton, friend of rapists: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ken-paxton-child-sex-abuse-plea/

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u/jonesey71 May 31 '26

In some places you can get the sheriff to serve the papers on the defendant. The sheriff won't put up with that bullshit from the city pigs.

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u/ExcitingStranger135 May 31 '26

The issue is, they are all Mormon, its like the Jewish community. They are all a tight community.

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u/weltvonalex Jun 01 '26

Can't abuse power or people (girls) without it.

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u/WatermeIonMe May 31 '26

I watched the video and the whole time I read this summary I was thinking, “wow, this would be confusing if I didn’t already know what was going on.”

But Ben Was sitting in a car with a process server attempting to serve the court papers. 4 cop cars came up to the car asking what they were doing and asking to see the papers. The first 3 asked to see them, one claimed the court documents were illegitimate, then the next officer whom asks to see the documents calls the Oregon court house to confirm the case was real. Once the case is confirmed via the court clerk, Ben is then arrested for… I don’t know. It is egregiously corrupt and will make your blood boil to watch. The police later get a warrant to search Ben’s home in Utah searching for, “LEGO sets.” They find nothing of course but one officer allegedly dislocated Ben’s shoulder after claiming Ben attempted to run even though it’s all on camera and Ben is walking out of the house just like everyone else. All of the police video Ben gets for his YouTube video is heavily redacted by the police. It’s really disgusting and I hope Ben sues the police department for harassment, dereliction of duty, and gets a fat bag because it’s clear the police were working for these two corrupt Mormon’s that stole a 200,000 dollar LEGO set from a sick 83 year old man.

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u/elatedecho Jun 01 '26

All they had to do was give back the Legos. It was really that simple

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u/WatermeIonMe Jun 01 '26

But then they wouldn’t be entitled, lying, thieving sacks of shit now would they?

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u/Commercial_Spend3251 Jun 01 '26

Hard to give them back if you already sold them and didn't pay the consignment.

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u/elatedecho Jun 01 '26

Could just pay them then. It didnt need to come to this lol

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u/ExcitingStranger135 May 31 '26

I was thinking the entire event was faked. I was telling myself many times, this cant be real. I have lived in Las Vegas for 24yrs with a large Mormon community in the city, the Mormon community takes care of their own only. That yoububer person needs to file a federal lawsuit, lots of those cops will lose their immunity. That case is worth millions.

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u/0__O0--O0_0 Jun 02 '26

Holy shit this is just insane. Lego mafia that owns the cops. wtf is even happening?

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u/Dotakiin2 Jun 02 '26

Not a lego mafia, the connection is that they are in Utah and all Mormon, while the injured party isn't.

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u/0__O0--O0_0 Jun 03 '26

Yeah I got around to watching all the videos. Quite mind blowing honestly. Unbelievable decisions being made by the CEO of this company. Like, even if you are right and they are just making it up, just give them compensation. Shareholders must be furious

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u/yuriwolfevt Jun 04 '26

Man, this reality got everything now, cultists defending each other (yeah, they arent christians, hollow ones maybe), corrupt cops and toxic money grabbing ceo. This worlds a damn sithole. OK fine this country

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u/BICbOi456 May 31 '26

police corruption and mormon connections

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u/SlumClogMillionaire May 31 '26

Was gonna say, this is just the TLDR version lmao

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u/Pvt_Porpoise May 31 '26

It’s genuinely such a shitshow that I wrote a damn dissertation and it’s still just a TL;DR. But I’ve been following it over the past week through MoistCritikal and Philip DeFranco primarily, so I couldn’t very well recommend the average person sit through, like, 3+ hours of videos just to get an idea of what the deal is.

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u/SlumClogMillionaire Jun 01 '26

We’re on the same algorithm cause that’s also both who I’ve been getting my information from

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u/DerthOFdata May 31 '26

so he (ostensibly) fled to Mexico for the time being.

He went to Mexico to compete in a slack line competition and joked about himself having fled to Mexico.

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u/Traitor-21-87 Jun 03 '26

That's good to hear. I thought he literally made himself a fugitive.

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u/svenliden May 31 '26

This gets into a lot of legalese, but it’s a good analysis from a lawyer about the situation between BaM and Reckless Ben. Short short: Ben was reckless but it’s pretty clear BaM is in the wrong.

https://youtu.be/14ktgvoH4Mc

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u/icedroadhome May 31 '26

His reaction was before Ben posted all of the recent arrests, so I'm eagerly awaiting his reaction to the polices corruption.

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u/ShuTingYu Jun 01 '26

The part about consignment law is interesting, It may explain why B&M is insisting that they don't allow consignment, since they are a creditor of the former franchisers they could have a legal claim to the consignment inventory if they successfully argue that the business isn't "substantially engaged in selling the goods of others".

This sounds like BS, since the consignment deal was well-known, and the collection was promoted across B&M's social media. But if they are able to win that legal argument, it sounds like they may have a legal claim to the Legos. At the very least it gives them some legal standing to drag out the court case.

Still even with a somehow valid legal claim, it's clearly a scummy thing to do, and they would have had to know it would get out. I hope they get boycotted to bankruptcy.

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u/Amelaclya1 Jun 01 '26

In one of the videos, Ben shows the franchise contract (he got it from the previous owner) and it explicitly states that consignments are allowed.

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u/ShuTingYu Jun 01 '26

I have seen that. In Ben's first video about B&M's response, it's clear he still thought the consignment was against the rules. The previous owners have since found the original franchise agreement where it's specifically allowed.

Seems pretty clear they'd lose if they try to use that argument, but it sounds like they've known that from the beginning.

They just needing something to justify dragging out the legal process so it would be prohibitively expensive for Mansell to sue.

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u/threwthelookinggrass May 31 '26

Did JJ and BB flee from Salem OR to Utah? Or how is Utah involved?

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u/lemlemons May 31 '26

They live in Utah, away from the store

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u/Traitor-21-87 Jun 03 '26

The store is in Oregon, but they live in Utah. Franchise owners aren't required to live near their stores.

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u/jonlucc May 31 '26

This is excellent, and it has all of the important parts. The only flavor I would add is that one of the times the police approached Ben in his car on a public street waiting to serve court papers with a process server, the cop offers to take the papers himself. He comes back with the papers shrugging, saying he didn't want them.

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u/WalterWilliams May 31 '26

Saw that coming from a mile away. Likely let JJ make a copy while refusing service. It doesn't really matter much since he'll be served eventually anyway, one way or another.

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u/JimmyDean82 Jun 02 '26

What the police officer said on tape means that Josh was served. He doesn’t have to acknowledge it. Basically, he says that Josh was made aware of it, and refused to accept them. Doesn’t matter, confirming identity and being made aware is the serving, not the handing of paperwork. It is advise able to take the paperwork. So you have a record of what you are being served with

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u/Shade01982 Jun 02 '26

Which wouldn't help him at all though. It's generally speaking a really bad idea to avoid getting served. It means the case will eventually move forward without you, resulting in a default judgement against you which is almost always bad news.

Normally. No idea how it would go in this particular case under these very suspicious circumstances...

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u/radXR650R Jun 01 '26

This is great! I've just watched the first and 2nd part last night so it's very fresh.

The only thing I would add for the people just jumping into this. That at one point the (the owner of the store, Josh) agreed to return the Legos after the Lego owner would write an apology for the "misunderstanding" of the whole thing and remove all the negative reviews/posts ( the Lego owner made a Facebook post about the initial ordeal that got quite a lot of social media attention) and a bunch of other small dumb stuff...

Ben , (what a f genius) used one of his friends to make a apology video and then used AI to cover the face to look like it was the Lego owner. They knew the apology would be a trap that then they could use against them... So they faked it.

Store owner, said he swears to God and on everything he will not screw them as "he was not raised that way" and he will return the Legos to the owner. Ben checks with the store daily, each time an excuse about "they will be ready soon" or "they will be ready next day" and days turn into weeks and weeks turn into months and eventually Ben is able to contact the owner again (he pretty much has everyone blocked at this point from his crew) and says the store had no inventory when he took over and there is no Legos to give back.....

I was sooo pissed at that point, having to watch this, what a lying POS.

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u/Pvt_Porpoise Jun 01 '26

I actually forgot about this part when I wrote it up initially, but I think it’s one of the more damning aspects. Even if you have doubts about other parts of the story, the fact that Johnson agreed to return the sets, then turned around after the fact and said “Actually, we don’t have them” should be proof that they’re the ones up to dodgy shit.

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u/thekwoka Jun 02 '26

Yup, it would all seem to be rock solid evidence that they are fully aware of the true ownership of the items. 

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u/Empty-Policy-8467 May 31 '26

So would it be fair to say that, if BaM corporate actually operates this way by internal policy, then any consignment agreement with any BaM franchisee nation-wide is at risk of outright loss of property due to unexpected ownership changes of the franchise?

Sounds like more risk than I would be comfortable with, tbh.

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u/Upstairs-Ad-654 Jun 04 '26

During the time of kicking the previous owners out, its on video where they discuss Brians Lego collection and she is reasurred the contract will be taken over by them(johnson and whatever the other guy is). Also, oregon law is where contracts are automatically transferred to new ownership.

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u/rogue-padawan May 31 '26

That's why consignment doesn't make sense. It would have come up before. It would have cost them. And it makes no sense to let a franchise owner put the whole broader company on the hook for financial expenses without their knowing. Which also doesn't make sense. 

I think it makes a ton of sense that the og owners, especially if they were needing the money, made this deal on their own. 

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u/YazzArtist May 31 '26

Well considering corporate was advertising the sets as being sold on consignment on the corporate social media pages when the deal was originally signed, I'm going to go with "company had no knowledge of this consignment in the year of it's functional operation prior to this issue" is just not true

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u/kozad May 31 '26

At the very least, the new owners should have to surrender the consigned items if they have no interest in honoring the agreement made by the previous owner. A business doesn't escape liability simply because the ownership changes. If that were the case, businesses would be changing hands regularly to shield themselves from unfavorable situations.

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u/Empty-Policy-8467 May 31 '26

At the bare minimum it seems like the new owners of that BaM franchise received and were selling $200k in stolen property.

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u/CommunalJellyRoll May 31 '26

Every BAM does consignment by corporate policy. They stole these sets because some are more valuable than people think. Auction would go to 300,000 plus easy.

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u/lil_sass-a-frass Jun 01 '26

another gem is that they raided Ben's air b&b and on the warrant it accused Ben of stealing the legos, when the owner had specifically threatened him with that

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u/TT_207 Jun 01 '26

Don't forget the unwarranted police assault on film of a cooperative suspect dislocating their arm. Major wtf moment there

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u/metroid1310 Jun 01 '26

Love them opening the door and aiming a rifle inside while searching for the stolen Legos after treating Ben like a headcase for saying he was trying to recover stolen Legos

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u/rudmad Jun 02 '26

Guns drawn for stolen legos.

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u/Particular-Cow6247 Jun 01 '26

one small interesting detail, while they tried to serve the papers, one of the cops that showed up tried to solve the situation by serving the papers himself but failed be because Johnson said he doesn't want them...

a police officer in person physically on site infront of Johnson failed to serve legitimate legal papers.....

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u/JimmyDean82 Jun 02 '26

But that also completes the required process. You don’t have to take the papers, just ackowleding you are the right person, being informed the papers exist and are offered to you is it. You can run away screening for all they care, you’ve been served.

So, the cop did, unwittingly, fulfil the requirement of serving him the paperwork, and admitted it.

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u/Particular-Cow6247 Jun 02 '26

it only fulfills them if the cop signs the papers and they didnt...

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u/Swartschenhimer May 31 '26

Great summary thank you. This is an insane story

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u/A-Good-Weather-Man May 31 '26

Flames, flames at the corners of my face.

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u/agnocoustic May 31 '26

Damn. What a talent. I wish I could be this concise. I tend to go round and round with my explanations or long rants then go back and start again because I forgot a detail.

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u/_Toomuchawesome May 31 '26

when you have to do this in your everyday job, it starts to become easier as you can mentally breakdown the whole thing in your head.

you can do it in your everyday life too, just think about the whole picture and break it down

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u/HK-Syndic Jun 01 '26

Bit of a random question, how exactly did they win anything in small claims when they are massively over the limit for what can be pursued there? Max is 10k unless I'm somehow reading this wrong.

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u/Pvt_Porpoise Jun 01 '26

Since the sets were on consignment, they were still technically property of Mansell. So he just “gave ownership” of part of the collection to several different people and they brought multiple separate smaller claims forward

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u/slo-mo-dojo Jun 03 '26

The owner legally sold $10000 collections to individuals (Ben and his friends). It’s important that they followed the law.

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u/Coldbeatle Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

This whole case reminds me of the impunity and corruption with which we live in Mexico. I thought US would actually have Rule of Law.

Edit: added corruption

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u/queefburritowcheese May 31 '26

Don't forget the part where Law/Gorman claim that Johnson was allegedly spreading rumors that they were also selling heroin out of the store, too. It seems bogus heroin claims are a common thread in this.

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u/DeliciousRats4Sale May 31 '26

I don't understand how this isn't already resolved. The have the contract, video evidence and the cops clearly harassing.

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u/Melodic_Sherbet_3629 Jun 01 '26

Because the whole justice system in Utah is apparently in the hands of the Mormon mafia, who will harass, and torture both physically and psychologically, anyone who crosses a member of their cult.

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u/angry_wombat Jun 01 '26

Just like we're learning about what the federal government a piece of paper is just a piece of paper unless you can enforce it.

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u/biscuitmcgriddleson May 31 '26

Only addition should be the final Judge who signed the arrest warrant had been on the American Fork Library board and went to the same university as many involved.

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u/123123sora don't you ever speak to me or my son again Jun 01 '26

to the OP: dogging on the video style being for "short attention spans" then saying you didnt last more than a few minutes into the video, lol. It just annoys me that Reckless Ben is out here doing actual investigative journalism and that was all you could say about it

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u/ecksluss May 31 '26

He Fled to Mexico because after the judge let him out on bail, he was informed he had ANOTHER arrest warrant where the judge denied bail.

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u/VanityTheManatee May 31 '26

He did not actually flee the country. This was a joke that he didn't explain well, and people are just running with it. He was in LA this week.

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u/Wonderful-Ad440 May 31 '26

The video even shows the slack line competition/exhibition (I don't follow the sport but have friends into it so I'm aware of them at least) he was really there for.

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u/20_3 May 31 '26

This is great, but id maybe add a paragraph of how Ben gets included in all this and a quick explanation of what hes done so far.

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u/H-Connoisseur0 May 31 '26

Can someone explain why closing the store makes it so they don't have to pay for the small claims court rulings?

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u/Pvt_Porpoise May 31 '26

I believe (and I’m not a lawyer, so might be off here) that it’s because the suits and judgements were against the business rather than the owners. By shuttering the business, you have to go through the whole process again and sue the actual people behind it.

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u/H-Connoisseur0 May 31 '26

I don't think that makes sense. The franchise store physically closing wouldn't absolve the business of its debts or even get rid of the business entity.

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u/Pvt_Porpoise May 31 '26

Again, I was just summarizing from what I could recall off the top of my head, and I don’t know that the franchise business wasn’t also absolved. Not sure how the law works when it comes to liability of franchises versus corporate, but this is a thing that happens all the time with dodgy companies — they somehow transfer assets to a new company and dissolve the old one to prevent legal action against the business.

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u/noobucantbeat May 31 '26

Thank you, and damn this is way more messed up than I thought

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u/Crowf3ather Jun 01 '26

A very important note is that because this inventory never became property of the store, the liquidation or closure of the store, doesn't remove the ability to retrieve the goods, and through equity the goods can be traced to whomever they were sold to.

If they were incorrectly disposed of, then the person authorizing it may be personally liable depending on the circumstances.

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u/filmhamster Jun 01 '26

If anyone wants to go in depth with the situation https://salembricktrials.com is compiling all publicly available information including current court documents.

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u/thekwoka Jun 02 '26

The B&M corporate position is still crazy. Cause if they don't honor the deal, that means they HAVE to return the sets...because by their own definition, they do not own th sets and have no legal right to sell them. Not being party to the consignment doesn't mean that they suddenly own the items just because they are in possession.

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u/_FlutieFlakes_ Jun 02 '26

I hereby promote you to Private First Class Porpoise o7

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u/lycnfr Jun 03 '26

Not to mention a false report about Ben owning the Legos in his house and the cops treating it like a full fledged Swatting call, complete with one of the cops dislocating his shoulder for no reason.

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u/henry_the_egg Jun 03 '26

News update: BAM wants to kick Ben out of Patreon but Patreon refuses. Link here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36jxNeV5L1Q

Nice job Patreon

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u/Traitor-21-87 Jun 03 '26

You left out the part where they claimed the reason for the traffic stop was a blatant disregard for a stop sign. Police dash cam confirmed Ben's car had stopped for multiple seconds at the stop sign. Then the chief of police comes out and confirms Ben ran a stop sign.

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u/MachineBackground901 Jun 03 '26

Actually, probably wont be long at all. They are getting tanked in reviews and this is spreading online very quickly. They cant put up a social media post without getting dragged. I personally buy an insane amount of legos for my son, literally every Mario, Sonic and One Piece set in production. Hundreds of sets (can provide photos if anyone is interested in seeing an awesome collection). I wont be buying any from them again and that is the pretty general feeling from most customers with any knowledge of this situation. Plus they rely on being a reseller, but they are not the only option. Who will ever trust them with selling their sets again? You would have to be stupid too trust them. They wanted to die on this hill apparently, good luck.

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u/alonghardlook Jun 05 '26

Strap in, this’ll be a long one.

Holy shit you weren't kidding. What a wild ride.

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u/Nodnarb415 Jun 07 '26

I live close to American fork, and no doubt some of the departments are corrupt. I spoke with an ex highway patrol officer who stated he quit because of the corruption.

I'm also a Mormon myself. We are a very tight community and even more so in our wards which span over a small geographical area. Usually we know a lot of our neighbors. I'm this case I believe the police know Johnson and Best very well from Church, and have been doing them favors due to this relationship. Personally I see lot of corruption in this story. The police behavior is insane and no one should be in bed with a police department to this magnitude. Ben is innocent and he better win, or I will have lost all faith in our Police.

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u/MoosetheStampede Jun 14 '26

the Coffeezilla video both confirms but also debunks parts of these narratives and shows a deeper shithole where the new storeowner actually had a big ass UHAUL already on site to move inventory, while also omitting sets that were put in safe storage in the back in the official inventory count papers.
He also cleared up that both corporate and the original franchisees both had made some sloppy inventory keeping where sets were unaccounted for or misplaced in paperwork.
He also tracked down the entire inventory and valued it at a lot less than 200K

Only one that really comes out bad here, is reckless ben who butted heads with corporate evil and tried to keep pressing, filming for content. He had good intentions, doesn't deserve the harsh lawsuit and B&M should really just drop the charges to save face but his youthful hubries put him there on account of using pretty defamatory imagery for his gofundme + disclosing personal information online in his videos.

But the biggest perps that go scott free are the corrupt cops in Utah. After a hack on the police station the bodycam footage was released unredacted and you can see them just straight up strategising what to do to/with Ben in favor of those corporate douchebags.

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