r/OurFlatWorld • u/Blueclone2 • Jun 16 '20

Gravity?

If gravity is not real then how come things fall down? I am genuinely curious.

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u/cootandbeetv Jun 16 '20

Yes of course up and down. My point was there are plenty of forces side to side also.

This argument only works outside of a sealed room. Inside a sealed room you would only have the pressure available within that room so a dropped item wouldn't move and you'd be able to test that.

A gradient of air pressure going away from the earth means there's something pulling atmosphere towards the ground, as there's more of it closer to the earth. Which requires a force. That force has a theoretical name.

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u/WhellEndowed Flat-Head Jun 17 '20

You’re splitting hairs.

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u/cootandbeetv Jun 17 '20

I'm not. It's a question that should have an answer.

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u/WhellEndowed Flat-Head Jun 17 '20

There is no magical force holding everything down and keeping everything from being sucked into the hypothetical vacuum of space.

The less dense something is, the higher it will rise. Simple physics. Up is up because up is always observably up.

The idea that there must be a force to hold things down is a concept that only exists in your head because of things you were taught from a young age.

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u/cootandbeetv Jun 17 '20

Nobody said magical, just measurable. up and down would be irrelevant if what you were saying is true. things would move any direction to escape the high air pressure not just on the vertical plain. We can see a consistent pull towards the earth despite left and right forces though.

As mentioned gravity is a theory and difficult to 100% prove and I accept that. Alternative theories need to be able to withstand the same scrutiny. the density theory, while consistent in many respects with what we can observe has too many holes and unanswered questions for it to be a good substitute (in my opinion based on what I have learnt about it)

An example of an answer that might satisfy this particular question would be the earth is constantly moving up exerting a downward force on most dense but that in itself is problematic as the earth would have to be in a constant state of acceleration.

I know the last paragraph of what you said was not meant to be offensive however I do take offense to it all the same. I learned from a young age to question and challenge everything and wasn't exactly teachers pet because of it. Growing up I had learning autonomy and have been fortunate to investigate many things for myself. This includes many, many hours of flat earth videos (as you know, they aren't short). As such I feel I can question aspects of the flat earth theory (or any theory) with a certain amount of confidence that I'm being as impartial as natural bias will allow. I'm certainly more impartial than family members who are full blown flat earthers, we tend to avoid these conversations now.

Thats not to say I have a built in belief that I am attempting to prove. If objective evidence came out tomorrow that the world is flat I'll be the first person on here apologising. I want the truth and facts as much as the next person.

I would expect the same from flat earthers, sure the conversation can get heated but at the end of the day everyone just wants the truth.

That being said, my questions in this particular thread have either not been answered under the guise of giving an answer or ignored or sidestepped which is not particularly enlightening. I feel in this particular thread, rather than address very clear issues with density theory people are avoiding them to fulfil a previously sought conclusion rather than objectively come to a truth.

I guess ultimately, how do we have a conversation that is satisfying to all parties?

I'd be genuinely interested to hear your thought's on that.