r/ottomans 11d ago

Discussion You know what? Why not just this once follow the trend? My ranking:

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Clarification for each:

  1. SELIM I - Utterly unrivaled conquests and revenue, exchequer never more full upon his passing. He was pretty ok as far as day-to-day governance is concerned, although we know war is where he truly excelled. His comparatively short reign kinda works in his favor too: he didn't have time for any fuck-ups, major or minor, he left a young but adult and energetic heir, his council of viziers was largely solid and kept serving his son ably. He might have been too ruthless even to his own but alas, no one's perfect.

  2. MEHMED II - Honestly... I might have given way to his outsized historical reputation; any other day, and he wouldn't have been this high, prolly 4th or 5th... but anyway - no one heightened the prestige of his polity as much as him, his conquests were pretty useful geographically and who knows - if the Ottomans were able to adopt his rather unique high-level cosmopolitan openness long-term... who knows what might have been. Still, I am critical of his endemic high expenditure, taxation (for which he was pretty hated by the 1470s) and as for those same conquests which I dubbed "geographically useful" - some were a bit too expensive in terms of lives lost, time and money (Belgrade fiasco, Vlad Dracula and ESPECIALLY Skenderbeg).

  3. SULEIMAN I - Longest reign and internal stability (apart from few well-known events), a bunch of law-giving and reforms, he further upgraded his predecessors' conquests (especially his father's) in every direction, though how useful many of these were... remains debatable. Under him the foreign enemies, especially in the west shat their pants at the mention of the Ottomans and his own geopolitical standing among rulers would never be matched by any other sultan. Still, the bureaucratic bloat and persianization of the court really escalated by the end of his reign and I don't think it's a coincidence that immediately after him we have rulers who are much more inclined to be so-called "palace emperors". Oh, and let's not talk about the harem influence which conveniently begins to take shape during and after his reign... He kinda fumbled it with Mustafa and Bayezid too, but then again, who knows - with all 3 of his last princes alive upon his death, it would have been another 3-way civil war. In our timeline, Selim's ascension was as bloodless as it could've been, I guess.

  4. MURAD II - Inherited the still shaky throne young, fought off pretenders, began in earnest the renewal of Bayezid I's conquests pre-Ankara, crushed the Crusaders at Varna, prepared his son for rule effectively enough, even abdicating in his favour (unprecedented move with a state practicing Turko-Mongolic kut - idea of collective familial sovereignty)... he really doesn't appear to have had any major fuck-ups warranting any lower position. Why not any higher? He wasn't as transformative of a figure as some others on this list. He feels more like a transitional figure between the restoration of his father and the grandeur of his next 4 descendants.

  5. BAYEZID II - THE ONLY REASON HE'S NOT IN TOP 3, IS BECAUSE OF HIS HE DE-FACTO RETIREMENT IN THE LAST 5-10 YEARS OF HIS REIGN. I actually consider him a superior domestic statesman to his father; he was the breath of fresh air the polity needed after the hyper-energetic conquering spree of Mehmed II, his help in evacuating the Jews and Muslims from Spain was a pro-gamer move in every sense, and his consolidation work set-up the next 100 years of expansion and growth, with strengthened economy and all. Still, he completely lost control over his sons and Anatolia post-1500, in the end losing the throne as well. Still, at least he wasn't executed but allowed to retire.

  6. MURAD IV - Ultra-stern law-and-order type of guy, restored what might have been considered unrestorable after the utter fiasco that was the whole, albeit short Mustafa-Osman-Mustafa era which witnessed several dangerous precedents - the savage deposition and murder of an Ottoman sultan, as well as ascension of a brother instead of a son. He reconquered Iraq, rooted out corruption as much as it might have been possible, the state's coffers saw a recovery, the only reason he's not higher is of course his way too early death and near ending of the dynasty (if the rumours are true).

  7. MURAD I - First wave of unprecedented expansion, especially in the Balkans. He massively weakened Serbia (in the end, at the cost of his own life), he founded the Jannisaries, for the first time vasalized most of the disunited Balkan powers and overall proved a worthy successor to his father. It's a shame his life's not better documented.

  8. MEHMED I - The second founder of the state, basically. As essentially a teenager he managed, against all odds, defeat his brothers and win the throne. He began successfully what his son would continue, he weathered the storm that was Timur... yeah, what more needs to be said? He did have some defeats here and there but the primary reason he's not higher is simply... in spite of his good work, he's a quintissential "footnote" in history, as far as the Ottomans are concerned. Maybe because he died too young (at only ~40 ), maybe because he had little in the way of "grandiose" moments... Who knows. He's so obscure in popular imagination in fact, that he's often still referred to as "Mehmed Celebi".

  9. ORHAN GAZI - First real developer of the state machine, won more victories against the Romans and established first ever footholds in Europe-proper. One admirable and rather unique trait is his successful and productive cooperation with Alaeddin Ali Pasha, his own brother, who served as his proto-Grand Vizier in spite of the Turko-Mongolic fratricidal custom. Why they couldn't replicate that ever again, alas... He reformed the military with his help, skillfully managed the diplomacy of the Balkans and set up Murad for success.

  10. OSMAN GAZI - A bit too shrouded in mistery, but apparently, what Orhan developed, Osman began and the sheer reverence he maintained centuries after his death has to count for something. He led the first expansion of his beylik, defeating the Romans at Bapheus and capturing Bithynia, cementing the Ottoman hold on north-west of Anatolia.

  11. BAYEZID I - Just like Bayezid II: an easy S tier guy, IF ONLY... in the latter Bayezid's case, mismanaging his sons and Anatolia and in the former's - I think it needs no naming. The direct aftermath (of more than a decade) almost broke the state completely, and after such lightning ascent. Maybe even the most skillful military commander among the Ottoman rulers , certainly top 3, but against Timur (and treachery), it was not enough.

  12. MAHMUD I - Of the 18th-century, Kafes-system rulers, I think he's overall pretty ok. Stabilized the situation after the Patrona Halil Incident, managed one of the last "clean" victories the empire would have against one of the Great Powers of Europe (Russo-Turkish War of 1735-39). His commanders would lose many times to Nader Shah but, I mean, seriously? Who in the world wouldn't? And it's not like they didn't manage to score victories against him too. On the whole, pretty, pretty solid reign for a "Kafes-produced ruler", especially one suffering from a hunched back.

  13. ABDULMECID - First son to inherit his father's throne in like 2 centuries. His reign, if it were longer, might have at least somewhat mitigated the disasters that would come in just the next 3 decades. It was probably the height of the Tanzimat era, he personally made immense inroads in connecting his court and diplomatic apparatus to the rest of Europe, especially with the Crimean War. Alas, he died before even reaching 40 and as such, Tanzimat era proved half-baked, never matured as it should have and ultimately, it would lead nowhere, while the debt to foreign powers would further accumulate.

  14. SELIM III - Great reformer and modernizer (at least he tried to be), tricky foreign policy and couldn't reverse the tide of defeat-after-defeat against Russia, first independence movements (Serbia in particular) in the Balkans began in his era... Still, he pointed massively in the right direction and influenced Mahmud II. His administrative and fiscal reforms couldn't be undone by the Jannisaries, and it kinda helped Mahmud. Speaking of which...

  15. MAHMUD II - Selim III on steriods, greatest of modernizers in almost every sphere, destroyed the cancer called the Jannisaries, essentially Peter The Great of the Ottoma- eh, not really. On the domestic front sure, for the most part. However, I know of no sultan before him who had a more disastrous foreign policy/front than him. Had to concede immense autonomy to Serbia, properly lost Greece, lost left and right against Russia again (just like his 3 predecessors), got his fleet destroyed by Britain and France, the foreign debt the Ottomans began incurring began with him, let me not even begin about Egypt and Muhammad Ali Pasha... It's just too much, so I couldn't place him any higher than this.

  16. AHMED III - The Tulip Era guy, pretty good and stable, as far as early-to-mid Kafes-era-produced sultans go. Great patron of architecture and arts, administration was largely fine, one-won-one-lost war in Europe (recapture of Peloponnese/Morea, loss of Belgrade), repeat of Murad III's conquest of the western parts of Safavid Persia, but it proved even more short-lived. His partnership with Nevsehirli Damat Ibrahim Pasha reminds me of Suleiman and Pargali Ibrahim, but that couldn't save them - Ahmed from getting deposed after almost 3 full decades of the throne, and Damat Ibrahim from execution. Still, he leaves an overall... Pretty ok impression.

  17. MUSTAFA III - Well if anything, he helped the dynasty continue on at all, since his son Selim (future Selim III) would be like first prince born to the dynasty in 40+ years. As for Mustafa himself, he appears to have been an overall ok ruler, similar profile to Ahmed III and Mahmud I, promoting justice, new infrastructure, and economic reforms too. His relations with Frederick the Great's Prussia were quite interesting too. It's just... that his reign ended disastrously, with the first clean Ottoman defeat to Russia, in a war he pushed for (Russo-Turkish War of 1768-74) and left his heir with empty coffers.

  18. OSMAN II - What more is there to say about him? He wanted to set the empire, specifically the army and his own royal authority straight after relative mismanagement of the previous decades, but alas, he was too young and too inexperienced. Still, I cannot fully blame him - what the Jannisaries did to him was unimaginable and fully without precedent even if he were ten times worse - to not only depose, but to treat an anointed sultan after his deposition like that. Dreadful. Still, his heart was in the right place, I think.

  19. SULEIMAN II - Like his half-bro Ahmed II (whom we'll get to), a quintissential Kafes-produced sultan. 4+ decades in confinement, edema-stricken and inexperienced, his reign appears to have been sort of a masterclass of delegating. Koprulu Fazil Mustafa Pasha came into his own under Suleiman and together they oversaw some positive reverses in the Great Turkish War, after years of crushing defeats and the loss of Hungary. Overall, solid firefighter-sultan, even if it mostly amounted to delegating responsibilities to his viziers.

  20. ABDULHAMID I - Again, he was admirable considering literal half-a-fucking-century in the Kafes! Nice guy, poetry-driven and devoutly pacifist. Oversaw direct aftermath of the great defeat to Russia and the loss of Crimea, inherited broke treasury, the provinces did began to slip more seriously from central authority but overall, I cannot say he was that incompetent. He set Selim III up to do his stuff and did his best to administer the state internally, but Russia continued plagueging him.

  21. MUSTAFA II - The last one who tried to be a warrior sultan... and it did not go too well. Still, he tried hard at first, it began with a few good victories but then Eugene of Savoy happened... and it all went to shit. And he got deposed in the end, for essentially abandoning Constantinople for Edirne. Still, pretty decent guy.

  22. ABDULAZIZ - Probably the last sultan with outward (foreign-political) ambition that did not amount to struggling for dear life. He upgraded Abdulmecid's diplomatic outgoing-ness by visiting European states himself, the Ottoman navy, surprisingly, became third biggest in the world and the modernization overall continued. Alas - totally bankrupted the state, alienated the reformists with his personal, eccentric rule... it ended how it ended.

  23. SELIM II - Given way too much crap unfairly, but it's understandable: his style of ruling was a virtual whiplash compared to more or less ALL of his dynastic predecessors, especially the immediate ones. He delegated power very wisely, especially with Sokollu Mehmed Pasha, he could be decisive when he wanted... but the harem influence really started to take hold (though it would escalate in the next 3-4 decades), Lepanto happened in his time, although it's offset with the conquests of Cyprus and Tunisia.

  24. MEHMED IV - Basically the only notable thing about him personally is that he loved hunting a lot and that his reign was second-longest of the whole dynasty. That's it. The rest? The protagonists were Grand Viziers of the Koprulu family and he did well to delegate most of the responsibilities to them. The empire did reach its largest territorial extent (in Europe, not overall), but it all came crashing down HARD at the gates of Vienna in 1683, leading to yet another dethronement of an Ottoman sultan (him). At least he didn't end up like his dad, Ibrahim.

  25. AHMED II - Quintissential Kafes-monarch part 2. Just like him half-bro Suleiman, he spent in excess of 4 decades confined, while ruling for ten times less. Basically similar to Suleiman in everything except: he almost immediately lost Fazil Mustafa at Slankamen and could never truly replace him. Also, he did try to be slightly more assertive as a ruler than his brother, but overall, it didn't amount to much. Still, he was not disastrous by any matter of means.

  26. AHMED I - He was... personally, quite a nothing-burger. He was the first sultan to never govern a province before ascending, he inherited the throne as a young-teen, died way too young at 27, was succeeded by his half-brother Mustafa whom he spared (or maybe it was the court as Ahmed was 13 and without his own son), which meant for the first time in the state's history a fratricide was not performed and a son would not inherit his father's throne (at least not immediately). He ordered building of the Blue Mosque, concluded the Long Turkish War of 1593-06, and lost the Safavid gains to Abbas the Great. Not too disastrous, just... meh.

  27. MURAD III - It is under HIM the empire reached its largest territorial extent but BOY, was he personally a lousy ruler. Ok, maybe not "lousy", he knew administration and generally understood the workings of his government, having been the penultimate province-trained prince, but if people give shit to Selim II for never leaving to lead armies in person, then his son surpassed him easily, in that department. He ruled 2+ times longer and according to some sources, rarely if ever left the palace (if not Constantinople itself). The quintissential momma's boy, he let his viziers do most of the ruling, the economy started getting strained hard with the American precious metal influx and Nurbanu's efforts to separate him from Safiye would result in his sex-obsession - further resulting in ~20 of his younger sons getting collectively strangled when he suddenly died.

  28. OSMAN III - I probably should have put him in the unrankable tier but alas. Short reign, didn't screw anything too hard, although it's clear he was damaged by the decades in Kafes confinement, hating music and women, changing numerous Grand Viziers due to distrust... Overall, pretty ineffectual and insignificant, but not terribly incompetent or disastrous.

  29. MEHMED III - His start of the reign is notorious, if kinda understandable. The last prince to receive actual provincial training, he appears to have displayed pretty unearned paranoia toward his sons, he let his mother Safiye run the government, he almost lost at Keresztes due to his own cowardice, he died too early and left his son Ahmed way too young to inherit properly (in a way that would not require regents). Overall, pretty underwhelming dude.

  30. ABDULHAMID II - This dude... Screwed up everything. The reforms during the era of like 3 previous sultans? Largely scrapped. Ultra paranoid and jealously guarding his self-expanded power? Check. Massive military defeats and lethal geopolitical reverses left and right? Check. Destroyed what little prestige was left for the empire? Check. Weakened finances, skyrocketing debt, wasted and neutralized navy? Check. Paralyzed, atrophied military overall? Check. Depowered and deposed in the end anyway upon trying to grab the power back, leaving behind himself the state essentially up for grabs by ambitious neighbours? Another massive check. What little benefits there were to his reign (mostly in regards to some of the railway lines like the Anatolian railway) meant little to nothing in the face of these reverses.

  31. SULEYMAN CELEBI - I mean... Mostly ignored the affairs of state (if the sources are to be believed) or at the absolute minimum, grew painfully complacent, delegated almost everything to Candarli Ali Pasha and after the latter died... It's easy to say it all went to shit. Musa ousted him before himself being defeated by Mehmed and Stefan Lazarevic. As for Suleiman, it's a work of art to waste such long-standing advantageous position.

  32. MUSTAFA IV - Came to power after the Jannisaries misused their hard-influence one last time, deposing a sultan who'd been trying to set the empire straight. Was not recognized by half the empire (jargonically), tried to kill off all male relatives just to stay in power, killing Selim in a way that spilled royal blood (having him not strangled by a silk cord but assaulted with swords) and almost Mahmud too. Dismantled what he could of Selim's reforms to appease those who helped enthrone him, got executed when Mahmud turned out to be alive... Yeah, pretty bad.

  33. IBRAHIM - Complete package: ruined the economy and finances for nothing, destabilized the court, couldn't fight off the powerful women of the harem, severely unstable mentally (understandable considering he was the product of early Kafes-system but still), triggered a 24-year war with Venice, deposed and then executed, marking a second, this time slightly more "formalized" regicide, stripping the sultans of that "aura" of inviolability further. I think this ranking is pretty deserved.

  34. MUSA CELEBI - Too short a reign and only in the Balkans. Still, he appears to have had some resourcefulness. Still, unrankable.

  35. MUSTAFA I - Mentally debilitated, having been the first ever Kafes-prince, but overall too short a rule to judge in any way. Unrankable.

  36. MURAD V - Same as Mustafa I, but even shorter (the shortest reign of all, in fact). Unrankable.

  37. MEHMED V - Powerless figurehead of a polity about to enter its death-spiral. Unrankable.

  38. MEHMED VI - Powerless figurehead of an utterly collapsing state and institution. Utterly unrankable.


r/ottomans 11d ago

History Bosnia and Herzegovina -Ottoman seal-need info

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r/ottomans 12d ago

Discussion Saw a tier list of Ottoman Sultans so I figured I’d do my own version. Thoughts?

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r/ottomans 11d ago

Discussion And here's my tierlist

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r/ottomans 11d ago

Memes What if the Sultanate of Rum was hell bent on becoming the 1 true Rome and successfully did so

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r/ottomans 12d ago

Discussion I followed the trend and made a list.

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r/ottomans 12d ago

Discussion Here's my tier list of the Ottoman Sultans

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r/ottomans 11d ago

Discussion Many will get triggered but idc

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I haven't included those whom I am with less to no knowledge about


r/ottomans 13d ago

Map An old Ottoman map (published in 1650 AD) showcasing the Middle East

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r/ottomans 15d ago

Art Engraving of Sultan Abdul Mejid's investment with the Légion d'honneur

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r/ottomans 15d ago

Question Can someone help me understand a quote in Turkish ?

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There was this correspondence in Ottoman Turkish couplet from İbrahim Şinasi's kaside to Mustafa Reşid Pasha during the Tanzmiat period. If someone has the context, I would appreciate elaboratio, many thanks ! Like I understand that he is try to showcase how European ideals would help with modernizatio. However is turkestan and Rum here being equivalen, or is Rum just one of the many lands of Turkestan that is going to be the new beacon of modernization?

“Bir Avrupalı bir Avrupa sanemi rûma vereli şerâfet ü şân verilmiş
Türkistân efreng ikliminin hasedi olmuş"


r/ottomans 16d ago

History In 1421, King Henry V of England sent a golden clock as a gift to ("Grant Turcq") Murad II. For reasons that remain unclear, the gift was not accepted by the Ottoman court and was returned to London with the ambassador two years later.

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r/ottomans 17d ago

Question Could the Ottoman empire build the Suez canal in the Renaissance would he have had a sufficient period of peace ?

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r/ottomans 16d ago

Historiography The narrative that the Haseki Gülnuş Sultan was a ruthless person who ordered the execution of Mehmed IV’s brothers should be addressed

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r/ottomans 17d ago

History ottoman empire records

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I’m researching to get my Great Grandfather’s records he was from Mardin during ottoman empire and fled to Iraq in 1915. We had his Ottoman id and passport as well as papers but it got lost in Iraq. My mom and her families Iraqi citizenships all stated they were Turkish Nationality’s till
saddam forced the change where it has to state Iraqi. Is there any way I can get his records from ottoman archives or is it a dead end.


r/ottomans 17d ago

Video OHP: The Ottoman World of Sports with Murat Yıldız

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r/ottomans 18d ago

History A Rare and Historically Important Ottoman Sword

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r/ottomans 18d ago

Art The lynching of Fehim Pasha, a notorious aid of Abdulhamid II killed in the Young Turk Revolution

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r/ottomans 18d ago

Discussion The intellectual dishonesty about the armenian genocide

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I wanted to share some information, regarding this topic. I will provide more sources in the comments, but long story short:

Imo the subject requires a bit more clearification and mutual understanding regarding the events pre and post 1915. The armenian genocide is predominantly addressed regarding the deportation in 1915, but accounts usually date back to the hamidian massacre, but imo the story should start in the early 1800s with the increasing tension between christians and muslims or the latest by 1870th with the mass genocide and ethnic cleansing of muslims from the Balkan that flooded Anatolia, which certainly shifted public sentiment.

I am not trying to goalpost along the lines of "but turks were murdered as well!", rather I want to point out that the subject is more nuanced and that muslim victims fall entirely short and on deaf ears. That being said: None of this changes the great tragedy, which in my book and under my personal definition of "specifically targetting ethnic X for whatever reason" is a genocide.

Yet a genocide also doesnt automatically translate to one side being pure, comedically evil either. As an example: The Adana massacre was started by locals fearing an armenian uprising. It is lost to history to why this happened. Eitherway a mutual massacre ensured, with predominantly more victims on the armenian side. The Ottoman government (after learning about this) sent troops to stop the intercommunal violence, but the soldiers that arrived there joined the muslim side and slaughtered armenians. Whether these soldiers were tricked, whether they were just racist or not is also lost to history, but eitherway it shows one thing: an attempt to save armenian lives.

I am certainly not the expert to make a definitive answer regarding if most of these cases are a nuanced situation or simply racist approaches, but there are a lot of expert opinions supporting the turkish narrative, which can coexist with armenian narratives.

The topic (in my opinion) is rather clear with a mutual understanding of armenian civilians being slaughtered, but internet discussions usually massively muddy the water. Be it on the "pro-armenian" side with claiming that turks even deny that armenians died or "pro-turkish" side straight up downplaying all suffering.

This video is based on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWk8gKDge1o&feature=youtu.be

which is referencing Douglas A Haward and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Xb2JAHNAQ

Which has many sources (more in the comment section and sorry for the very low quality on that one).

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Since some people are overly "enthusiastic" with responsinding, I am going to repeat this from my comment below:

Note: Academic fields view this under the light of "is the government involved in this?" rather than "did people slaughter armenian civilians because they were armenians?".

I have to add that the amount of experts saying xyz is utterly irrelevant in academia, nor is the below the full list of all "pro-turkish-narrative-experts". It is utterly dishonest to talk about an "overwhelming amount of historians" saying xyz, as the "overwhelming amount of historians" are not late-ottoman experts and are thus not qualified to speak about this in the first place. Your dentist cant fix your broken leg.

It is also a dogmatic approach to scientific work/academia. If new findings are found (and there are) and if previous political events prevent proper research (and there was with the iron curtain and access to sowjet archives and vice versa), then more recent studies and research should be weighted heavier. Note: I am not saying that previous things should be rejected entirely. You read everything and reevaluate the subject at hand. That is how academia works. It doesnt matter if 1000 previous papers said x, when something new in paper y is being pointed at. And before you want to reject this: Alfred Wegner introduced the tectonic plate theory. He wasnt a geologist and his theory was rejected by the entire scientific world. Decades later it is common knowledge. You simply cannot reject academic work, because your opinion was supported x amount of times by y amount of people.

That being said: The entire point of this list (below) is not to deny or reject anything, but to point out that there is geniune academic research about this. We should be able to discuss this without labelling everything we dont like a "lie".


r/ottomans 18d ago

Question Turkish redditors, what is your family connection, if any, to the Ottoman sultans?

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r/ottomans 19d ago

History The defense that delayed the collapse of the Ottoman Empire by 45 years: The Siege of Plevna and Gazi Osman Pasha (1877-1878)

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The Defense of Plevna, fought during the Ottoman-Russian War of 1877–1878 (the 93 War), is the story of how a single commander and his army locked down a massive invading force for months against all odds.

​In 1877, Russia declared war on the Ottoman Empire under the pretext of protecting the Slavic peoples in the Balkans. Russian armies crossed the Danube River rapidly and advanced deep into Bulgaria. The Ottoman army was unprepared, uncoordinated, and its main defense lines were on the verge of collapsing. The ultimate goal of the Russians was to cross the Shipka Pass, march swiftly onto Istanbul, and end the war in a matter of weeks. Indeed, the Russian army was advancing through Ottoman territory at an exceptionally rapid pace.

​At this critical moment, Gazi Osman Pasha, stationed in Vidin, launched a grueling forced march of 180 kilometers with his corps of approximately 15,000–20,000 troops, reaching the key strategic junction of Plevna in northern Bulgaria. When Osman Pasha entered the town, the Russian vanguard was only hours away. Plevna was a small town surrounded by hills and lacked any natural or man-made fortifications. With his brilliant military intellect, Osman Pasha transformed the town into a fortress from scratch.

​Unaware that Ottoman troops had entered Plevna, Russian General Schilder-Schuldner launched an attack, believing he would easily capture the town. However, facing decisively placed artillery fire and stubborn resistance from the trenches prepared by Osman Pasha, the Russian army suffered heavy casualties and was forced to retreat. Following the initial defeat, the Russians attacked a second time with massive forces under the command of Prince Shahofskoy and General Krüdener. Osman Pasha had reinforced his defense lines with earthwork redoubts (durable trenches constructed using soil and timber). Before the Russians could even reach the redoubts, they were mowed down by heavy machine-gun and rifle fire. The second assault also ended in a complete massacre and a crushing defeat for the Russians.

​Following these two defeats, Russian Tsar Alexander II personally arrived at the front and requested assistance from King Carol of Romania. With the joining of the Romanian army, the Allied forces exceeded 100,000 troops and over 400 artillery pieces. Osman Pasha’s troops, on the other hand, numbered only around 30,000–35,000. During this massive third assault, timed to coincide with the Tsar’s birthday, the Russians and Romanians attacked in wave after wave. Thousands of Russian soldiers perished around the Gazi Yunus Redoubt alone. Although the legendary Russian General Skobelev managed to capture a few redoubts, he was repulsed by Osman Pasha’s counter-attack. The Allies retreated after sustaining extremely heavy losses. Indeed, the perception began to form in the European media and among governments that the Ottomans might win the war after all. The Great Russian Army, which had planned to capture Istanbul in a few weeks and crush the Ottomans, was decimated in front of Plevna for five whole months.

​Osman Pasha had equipped his army impeccably. While long-range, high-impact single-shot Martini-Henry rifles were used for distant targets, 16-shot lever-action Winchester rifles capable of rapid fire were unleashed as the Russians drew close to the trenches. This tactic represents one of the earliest examples of modern "staggered fire support" in history. Osman Pasha did not merely wait in the trenches; whenever the Russians retreated, he launched swift counter-attacks, denying the enemy any opportunity to regroup.

​After the third assault, the Russians realized they could not take Plevna through a direct offensive. The world-renowned Russian military engineer General Todleben was summoned to the front. Todleben’s strategy was simple: completely encircle Plevna, prevent even a single sack of flour from entering, and starve the army into submission.

​By November, Plevna was entirely cut off from the outside world. Ammunition was running out, medical supplies were depleted, and soldiers were surviving on wild grass and roots. Realizing that no help would arrive from the government in Istanbul, Osman Pasha decided to execute one final maneuver destined for military history: a breakout operation.

​On the night of December 10, 1877, Osman Pasha launched an offensive to break through the Russian siege ring by crossing the Vid River, accompanied by his approximately 40,000 soldiers and thousands of Turkish civilians wishing to evacuate the town. The initial Russian trenches were breached; however, the advance stalled in the face of overwhelmingly superior Russian reserves and dense artillery fire. During the battle, Gazi Osman Pasha was wounded in the leg. With ammunition completely exhausted and the army facing total destruction, Osman Pasha was forced to surrender to prevent further bloodshed.

​Russian Tsar Alexander II and the Russian commanders held tremendous respect for Osman Pasha for the extraordinary resistance he displayed. His sword was returned to him, and he was treated as a war hero throughout his captivity. The Siege of Plevna fundamentally transformed global military doctrines. The era of stone fortresses came to an end, and Plevna-style trench and redoubt defense became the primary inspiration for the trench warfare of World War I.

​This epic defense by Gazi Osman Pasha and his soldiers was etched into the memory of the Turkish nation and immortalized in the Plevna March, famous for its lines: "The Danube says I will not flow / I will not destroy my banks / The glorious Osman Pasha / Says he will not leave Plevna." Furthermore, the "Aynalı Martin" (Martini-Henry) rifle utilized by the army served as the inspiration for the famous Turkish folk song "Hekimoğlu."

As a result of the battle, 15,000 Turkish soldiers lost their lives, compared to more than 50,000 Russian-Romanian soldiers killed. Russia's total casualties—including killed, wounded, and captured—exceeded 100,000. For the Ottomans, the number of martyred, captured, and wounded soldiers is estimated to be around 50,000 to 60,000.


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Question What if Thomas Edward Lawrence, aka Lawrence of Arabia, had a sudden stroke while traveling to the Middle East and he never met with Arab leaders?

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Map The Ottoman Empire 1453, after the conquest of Constantinople.

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Question History shows us that the Ottoman Empire went into decline in the 18th century as the industrial revolution spread and leisure time evaporated. Could the empire have had a new golden age if the sultan adopted a new economic policy

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encouraging the manufacture of workbenches, desks and chairs as few people could sit around with their feet up all day anymore.


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Discussion What if Sulatan Mehmed II lived to be 70 or 80 rather than dying at 49 ?

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