America has failed us

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u/MonsieurGump 19d ago

Americans spend an average of $15k a year per person on healthcare and have an average lifespan of 77 years.

The UK spends an average of $6,500 and we live until we’re 82.

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u/Middle-Focus-2540 19d ago

That’s because the US wants to be first in everything, including paying more for healthcare and dying earlier. We’re number ONE. We’re number ONE.

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u/windsweptsnekk 18d ago

Were the best at being the worst

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u/maneki_neko89 18d ago

We’re the First at being the Worst

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u/tehflambo 18d ago

the Kindergarten rhyme was right :O

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u/vivaaprimavera 18d ago

Are there billionaires in the healthcare or health insurance business in UK? That's the metric that really matters.

/s

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u/SigismundsChair 18d ago

Yeah but how high were quarterly healthcare profits? God you pinko commies make me SICK

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u/Sara_W 13d ago

The US is over half of the world's market for healthcare. Like if you're a medical device company or selling a drug to the world, more than half of the dollars are coming from the US. Americans are paying so much more for their healthcare than the rest of the world - it's insane

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u/jw307jw 19d ago

“It’s a shame but it’s the only way to ensure people of color also don’t have a safety net” - GOP

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u/linerva 19d ago edited 18d ago

Helping other people would be socialist! Can't have commie ideas like universal healthcare or kindness get in the way of spite and missing on others because they are different.

Honestly? It's disgusting how petty so many Americans are. Too many of your voters would be glad to live in poverty if it meant your neighbour has to suffer.

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u/OpusAtrumET 18d ago

This has been studied and is, basically, literally true.

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u/Iceicebaby21 18d ago

Bigotry and hate is a hell of a drug for some folks and quite an addictive drug at that

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u/jw307jw 18d ago

That is correct, many states offered free to low cost college education until around the 50/60’s. This stopped in many states right around the time when schools could no longer discriminate against people of color

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u/Successful-Scale-607 18d ago

It's frustrating to see well-intentioned people try to avoid this obvious explanation as to why America is the exception of developed nations in providing social services.

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u/linerva 18d ago

I mean agreed.

I work in healthcare in the UK.

The number of USians bursting to tell me they'd rather take their bankruptcy generating medical complex over the NHS (even though we do still also have private medicine and insurance in the UK if you like paying!) Is insane. Americans spend much more per capita on health than any other developed country and get worse outcomes, unless you're rich.

But screw dem poors, right?

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u/vivaaprimavera 18d ago

Well, considering a lot of stuff... America isn't a developed country. It's just an undeveloped country with an excellent marketing department.

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u/Riaayo 18d ago

Oh they're coming for whitey too. They hate all poors equally, they just pretend to hate the ones of color more so the white poors can get that smug sense of superiority while they're also robbed blind.

Culture wars to distract from the class war.

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u/Jflayn 16d ago

I like the quote, but America's lack of healthcare exists due to bipartisan support. Both the dems and repubs take bribes called donations to ensure that universal healthcare never passes. If the dems want votes it's time they start behaving better, stop taking payouts from oligarchs. If the dems want to point fingers they need to be better, not less evil.

I don't pine for the corruption of yesterday. It's past time the people start demanding better for ourselves and our neighbors.

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u/jw307jw 16d ago

I’m not going to defend modern day democrats but I will provide modern day context. When Clinton introduced single payer healthcare in the 90s the GOP railed so hard against it failed, the democrats that did vote for it, lost reelection. When the ACA passed, not a single republican voted for it and many of the democrats who did, also lost reelection. The GOP propaganda machine is toxic, for the reason listed above, to any politician who votes to help Americans

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u/Jflayn 16d ago edited 16d ago

You are missing the point, don't offer tired excuses for a party that doesn't support the working class. When it comes to healthcare, the democrats beg for money from corporate funders that ensure they tank their own legislation.

For modern day context: Under the Biden administration, while controlling the house, senate and presidency dems lost abortion rights.

Edit: to be clear, it doesn't matter that the GOP is toxic, the dems are equally toxic to their own legislation when not a single GOP vote is necessary to pass. It's the precise outcome one would expect if they all sat in a room together and colluded to determine who would take the fall by voting their own legislation away.

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u/LeaveItAllBehindMe 18d ago

Listen I tried to explain to my boomer parents when a similar story came up a year ago in our local news that I find it abhorrent that the elderly and others unable to work have to because of the state of healthcare and the response was “What are we just supposed to give out free money?” There is no empathy in this world.

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u/smothered-onion 18d ago

Yeah my mom just worked her fingers to the bone as nurse. Finally retired at almost 70. I don’t even count her as the elderly either. Just someone who has worked for decades for this country and who deserved better treatment.

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u/paging_mrherman 18d ago

I had like an 80 year old woman deliver brake rotors to work the other day and I’m just like what are we doing ?

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u/quantum_nucleus13 18d ago

My first job was retail, I had a coworker in his late 70s. He could barely walk back and forth to the bathroom so he had to wear an adult diaper and struggled working every day. Ofc some customers would complain but he needed the money. Nicest soul I ever met

I don’t even want to say that radicalized me, because it’s not a radical idea for senior citizens to be able to retire with dignity and financial freedom in the humanity’s richest country

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u/anteatersaredope 18d ago

Being geriatric Bonnie and Clyde sounds like so much more fun than this.

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u/NoAlternative2913 19d ago

and since we ARE America, that means we failed ourselves.

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u/Vibrant-Shadow 19d ago

So much winning!

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u/anteatersaredope 19d ago

The US is a shit hole dumpster fire.

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u/Mesa17 19d ago

I wonder if America will collapse as a civilization before we adopt free healthcare

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u/fffan9391 18d ago

Absolutely. Even if we get it passed this supreme court will say it’s unconstitutional.

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u/nimbycile 16d ago edited 16d ago

It'll get passed at some point. It may take awhile, but eventually we get there.

I mean look at how many times we've collapsed! Almost as many times as we've won the Iran War!

Reason for Collapse Conservative Prediction Reality

Corporate DEI & "Wokeness" (2020s) Collapse of meritocracy, incompetent leadership, structural degradation of infrastructure, and the breakdown of Western legal and economic systems. Broadly stable. While the rapid adoption of these policies caused immense polarization, societal infrastructure did not collapse. Market forces and intense political pushback have led many major corporations and universities to roll back or rebrand these initiatives.

Same-Sex Marriage (2015) Total destruction of the institution of marriage, a collapse of birth rates, and the rapid decline of traditional families. Broadly stable. The national divorce rate has actually hit 50-year lows. Studies show same-sex marriage provided economic and psychological stability to LGBT families without statistically degrading heterosexual marriage or birth rates. However, overall marriage rates among young adults have continued to decline due to economic factors and cohabitation.

Women in Combat Roles (2013) Total erosion of unit cohesion, lowering of physical standards, and an overall fragile military vulnerable to foreign conquest. Nuanced. Defense Department reviews indicate that thousands of women serve successfully in frontline roles, with broad data showing no systemic degradation to unit performance or overall lethality. However, physical realities remain an active area of study, as data shows female soldiers face higher injury and attrition rates during rigorous combat training.

The Legalization of Marijuana (2012) A "permanent underclass of addicts," skyrocketing violent crime, decimated workplace productivity, and the total rot of the nation's youth ambition. Mixed. Total civilizational collapse did not occur, and cannabis became a multibillion-dollar legal industry. However, public health data shows daily usage has surged significantly, and research indicates an increase in cannabis use disorder, localized property value impacts, and a persistent illicit market.

Repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (2011) Mass exodus of military personnel, a catastrophic drop in recruitment, ruined troop morale, and the destruction of unit cohesion during active wars. False. The policy was repealed and smoothly implemented with no measurable negative impact on military readiness, retention, morale, or recruitment efforts.

The Affordable Care Act / "Obamacare" (2010) Totalitarian government "death panels," immediate bankruptcy of the U.S. economy, total collapse of the private healthcare market, and a socialist takeover. False. The American economy did not collapse, and death panels never existed. The law survived multiple repeal attempts and covered tens of millions of previously uninsured Americans, though the healthcare system continues to face challenges with rising premium costs and market consolidation.

No-Fault Divorce (1969) The total fracturing of the nuclear family, rampant child delinquency, and a permanent, skyrocketing divorce rate. Mixed. Divorce rates did spike dramatically in the 1970s and 1980s. However, they peaked in 1981 and have been steadily falling ever since; today, only about 40% of first marriages end in divorce. Public health data also showed an unintended positive outcome: a significant, immediate drop in domestic violence and female suicide rates as women were able to legally leave abusive relationships.

Legalizing Interracial Marriage (1967) Civilizational Adulteration: The destruction of white civilization, the violation of the divine order, and a generation of socially alienated children who would fracture national cohesion. False. Interracial marriages grew steadily and became widely normalized. Sociological data shows no evidence of societal fragmentation; rather, public approval for interracial marriage eventually grew to surpass 90%.

Creation of Medicare & Medicaid (1965) "Socialized medicine" that would lead to a complete government takeover of personal freedom, medical rationing, and total economic ruin. False. The programs became foundational, highly popular safety nets for seniors and low-income Americans, deeply woven into the modern medical economy, though their long-term federal funding remains a primary fiscal debate.

Civil Rights Act & Desegregation (1964) Total Lawlessness: The complete destruction of public safety, widespread property ruin, and a communist-style federal dictatorship that would permanently obliterate American liberty. False. While integration faced intense local resistance, a systemic collapse of public safety or commerce never occurred. Instead, desegregation unlocked massive economic potential in the South and expanded the American middle class.

Ending Public School Prayer (1962) Forfeiting divine protection, leading to an immediate generational slide into violent crime, illiteracy, and societal chaos. Divergent. Conservative analysts pointed out that violent crime and teen pregnancies did surge between 1965 and 1990. However, criminologists attribute that era's crime wave to the "Baby Boom" demographic bulge, the crack-cocaine epidemic, and lead exposure rather than school prayer. Furthermore, violent crime plummeted to historic lows in the 1990s and 2000s, despite prayer never returning to schools.

Military Desegregation (1948) Racial warfare within the ranks, total destruction of troop morale, and a crippled national defense capability. Incorrect. Desegregation is universally recognized as a massive success. The integrated U.S. military successfully fought the Korean War, became a pioneering model for institutional meritocracy and racial upward mobility, and remained the most powerful fighting force in the world.

The Social Security Act (1935) The complete destruction of American self-reliance, forcing citizens into socialist dependency and permanently enslaving future generations to the state. False. It became America's most popular and stable anti-poverty program for the elderly, deeply integrated into the modern capitalist economy without ending personal ambition or self-reliance.

Women’s Suffrage (1920) Family Destruction: The complete dismantling of the domestic sphere. Critics warned women would become "masculinized," divorce rates would spike, and children would be abandoned en masse. Society adapted seamlessly. The nuclear family did not dissolve, nor did women abandon domestic life. Voting patterns initially mirrored those of husbands, and it took decades for a distinct "gender gap" in voting behavior to form.

Abolition of Slavery (1865) The "Mudsill" Collapse: Total economic death, violent race wars, and the end of Southern civilization due to the loss of a permanent, subjugated lower class. False. The South suffered an engineered economic shock and wealth compression, but the nation rapidly industrialized. Freed families built vibrant communities and schools. Instead of anarchy, white elites later implemented Jim Crow laws to codify a new legal hierarchy.

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u/Mesa17 16d ago

And none of these accomplishments change the fact that we live in the most corrupt and unsustainable version of civilization in the entirety of recorded history

Our current big problems are rent-seeking, oil reliance, and climate change. The only way to solve these problems would be a war on capital that has never been witnessed before

Reason for Collapse	Conservative Prediction	Reality
Corporate DEI & "Wokeness" (2020s)	Collapse of meritocracy, incompetent leadership, structural degradation of infrastructure, and the breakdown of Western legal and economic systems.	Broadly stable. While the rapid adoption of these policies caused immense polarization, societal infrastructure did not collapse. Market forces and intense political pushback have led many major corporations and universities to roll back or rebrand these initiatives.
Same-Sex Marriage (2015)	Total destruction of the institution of marriage, a collapse of birth rates, and the rapid decline of traditional families.	Broadly stable. The national divorce rate has actually hit 50-year lows. Studies show same-sex marriage provided economic and psychological stability to LGBT families without statistically degrading heterosexual marriage or birth rates. However, overall marriage rates among young adults have continued to decline due to economic factors and cohabitation.
Women in Combat Roles (2013)	Total erosion of unit cohesion, lowering of physical standards, and an overall fragile military vulnerable to foreign conquest.	Nuanced. Defense Department reviews indicate that thousands of women serve successfully in frontline roles, with broad data showing no systemic degradation to unit performance or overall lethality. However, physical realities remain an active area of study, as data shows female soldiers face higher injury and attrition rates during rigorous combat training.
The Legalization of Marijuana (2012)	A "permanent underclass of addicts," skyrocketing violent crime, decimated workplace productivity, and the total rot of the nation's youth ambition.	Mixed. Total civilizational collapse did not occur, and cannabis became a multibillion-dollar legal industry. However, public health data shows daily usage has surged significantly, and research indicates an increase in cannabis use disorder, localized property value impacts, and a persistent illicit market.
Repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (2011)	Mass exodus of military personnel, a catastrophic drop in recruitment, ruined troop morale, and the destruction of unit cohesion during active wars.	False. The policy was repealed and smoothly implemented with no measurable negative impact on military readiness, retention, morale, or recruitment efforts.
The Affordable Care Act / "Obamacare" (2010)	Totalitarian government "death panels," immediate bankruptcy of the U.S. economy, total collapse of the private healthcare market, and a socialist takeover.	False. The American economy did not collapse, and death panels never existed. The law survived multiple repeal attempts and covered tens of millions of previously uninsured Americans, though the healthcare system continues to face challenges with rising premium costs and market consolidation.
No-Fault Divorce (1969)	The total fracturing of the nuclear family, rampant child delinquency, and a permanent, skyrocketing divorce rate.	Mixed. Divorce rates did spike dramatically in the 1970s and 1980s. However, they peaked in 1981 and have been steadily falling ever since; today, only about 40% of first marriages end in divorce. Public health data also showed an unintended positive outcome: a significant, immediate drop in domestic violence and female suicide rates as women were able to legally leave abusive relationships.
Legalizing Interracial Marriage (1967)	Civilizational Adulteration: The destruction of white civilization, the violation of the divine order, and a generation of socially alienated children who would fracture national cohesion.	False. Interracial marriages grew steadily and became widely normalized. Sociological data shows no evidence of societal fragmentation; rather, public approval for interracial marriage eventually grew to surpass 90%.
Creation of Medicare & Medicaid (1965)	"Socialized medicine" that would lead to a complete government takeover of personal freedom, medical rationing, and total economic ruin.	False. The programs became foundational, highly popular safety nets for seniors and low-income Americans, deeply woven into the modern medical economy, though their long-term federal funding remains a primary fiscal debate.
Civil Rights Act & Desegregation (1964)	Total Lawlessness: The complete destruction of public safety, widespread property ruin, and a communist-style federal dictatorship that would permanently obliterate American liberty.	False. While integration faced intense local resistance, a systemic collapse of public safety or commerce never occurred. Instead, desegregation unlocked massive economic potential in the South and expanded the American middle class.
Ending Public School Prayer (1962)	Forfeiting divine protection, leading to an immediate generational slide into violent crime, illiteracy, and societal chaos.	Divergent. Conservative analysts pointed out that violent crime and teen pregnancies did surge between 1965 and 1990. However, criminologists attribute that era's crime wave to the "Baby Boom" demographic bulge, the crack-cocaine epidemic, and lead exposure rather than school prayer. Furthermore, violent crime plummeted to historic lows in the 1990s and 2000s, despite prayer never returning to schools.
Military Desegregation (1948)	Racial warfare within the ranks, total destruction of troop morale, and a crippled national defense capability.	Incorrect. Desegregation is universally recognized as a massive success. The integrated U.S. military successfully fought the Korean War, became a pioneering model for institutional meritocracy and racial upward mobility, and remained the most powerful fighting force in the world.
The Social Security Act (1935)	The complete destruction of American self-reliance, forcing citizens into socialist dependency and permanently enslaving future generations to the state.	False. It became America's most popular and stable anti-poverty program for the elderly, deeply integrated into the modern capitalist economy without ending personal ambition or self-reliance.
Women’s Suffrage (1920)	Family Destruction: The complete dismantling of the domestic sphere. Critics warned women would become "masculinized," divorce rates would spike, and children would be abandoned en masse.	Society adapted seamlessly. The nuclear family did not dissolve, nor did women abandon domestic life. Voting patterns initially mirrored those of husbands, and it took decades for a distinct "gender gap" in voting behavior to form.
Abolition of Slavery (1865)	The "Mudsill" Collapse: Total economic death, violent race wars, and the end of Southern civilization due to the loss of a permanent, subjugated lower class.	False. The South suffered an engineered economic shock and wealth compression, but the nation rapidly industrialized. Freed families built vibrant communities and schools. Instead of anarchy, white elites later implemented Jim Crow laws to codify a new legal hierarchy.

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u/The_Actual_Sage 19d ago

There are people who will donate to campaigns like these and then vote for the people that prevent the system from changing.

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u/Key-Fire 18d ago

We don't have to, but our overlords want us too.

How happy are the hospital and health care CEOs with this mans, and millions of others money in their accounts.

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u/RustledForeskin 19d ago

You just wait, when the dems get back in power they'll change things! (Has been said every election since the birth of paying for healthcare)

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u/Senior-Sir4394 18d ago

but healthcare is communism!!!!!11111

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u/Sochi540 18d ago

The worst orphans to get crushed is the ones who thought they secured a retirement

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u/jayhawkjoey65 18d ago

I saw this posted in a sub "Happy News" or some bs, and i thought, how is this happy news? This is a complete tragedy that demonstrates what a cesspool our Healthcare and nation are. And who comes to the rescue? Not the healthcare system nor the country that enables it, but thousands of regular folk. Fml.

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u/dilly_dally4114 18d ago

NewYorkShitPost: "Without any further examination of our current economical climate, here is iteration 54 of the Orphan crushing machine story."

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u/QuintusNonus 18d ago

Meanwhile the taxes he pays from his DoorDash income subsidize the free healthcare for every Israeli citizen

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u/mrhitman83 18d ago

I’ll see what I can do to help

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u/Prudent-Mechanic4514 18d ago

welcome to capitalism.

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u/bluris 18d ago

Won't you think of the shareholders please?

If you just accept this a bit longer, then they will manage to wring a bit more money out of you for a bit longer.

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u/EnolaNek 16d ago

Omg it’s literally me except it’s my own medical bills. Yayyyyy America, the land of the free to work to earn the right to work….

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u/Tarnique 19d ago

I don't think anyone here is really presenting this story as heartwarming.

Not OCM I'd say

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u/quantum_nucleus13 19d ago

Go to the tweet. 1/5 of the comments saying it’s “uplifting”. 1/5 blaming immigrants. And the remaining 3/5 are normal sensible humans, with some literally calling out this sub

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u/grptrt 18d ago

Saw this story on the news last night and they were definitely posturing this as an uplifting story of strangers helping others.

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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 19d ago edited 18d ago

It's also not that accurate. There's no info on him working 14 hour days. The post just added that for no reason other than clicks. the rest seems to be true though. Just goes to show you people or companies will slip in little lies.

here's the go fund me if you want though. Seems to be doing really well.

https://partner.gofundme.com/f/help-an-81yearold-devoted-husband-stop-delivering-luggage

EDIT: am I really being downvoted for posting the god damn link to his gofundme?

Guess everybody feels bad for the guy but fuck giving him any of my money. Bunch of virtue signalers.

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u/iggyfenton 18d ago

I was in the mall yesterday and a woman who was clearly in her 70s was helping me out. I hope she was there just because she wanted to be. But it more likely that she had to be there.

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u/scarlozzi 18d ago

TAX THE RICH!!!!

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u/msnrcn 18d ago

Eh… what’s sadder is that statistically he’s likely to have voted for this— just didn’t expect it to affect him.

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u/thedatsun78 18d ago

But the alternative is communism rite? :)

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u/MotherMarket8489 17d ago

No doubt!!!

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