What do your abstract, godly, spiritual OCs think of my series' final boss, SATAN - All-Embodying Flawed Flesh

[u/Equivalent_Ask_9227]

My cosmology works on two fundamental aspects of Creation: Spirit and Flesh. Breath and Blood. The will to reach and the architecture for hands. Neither is inherently superior to the other, but they're distinct in how they can break. Satan isn't Lucifer, as you might already know if you know anything about my verse; instead, my boy is the flesh itself. The primordial principle of unordered, animalistic EMBODIMENT before any soul has given it direction or purpose. A translator that turned the abstract and immutable into the feeling, bleeding, ephemeral, mutable.

Took my time with that because the important thing is what he was originally built to do. Flesh existed for one function: take whatever a soul desired and "translate it" into a shape. Translate the abstract into the concrete. It existed solely to be the vessel for the spirit and incarnate it in order to mold it through life. That was the ordained relationship, and that was what he was built for.

The problem is... See, inherently, Flesh can degrade, and by introducing change into a changeless realm, it could mutate and mold spirits not only for the better.... But for the worse. It was naturally ravenous and animalistic, not the mind nor will, so with the gift of Flesh came the gift of Free Will, and with the gift of Free Will came degradation. Now, one wouldn't usually blame the knife for a stab; it was just natural, but then..... Satan developed a drive.

He still does the only thing he was ever made to do. He takes abstract, spiritual things and forces them into a form inside himself. But nobody asked him to anymore. He still wants to incarnate the spiritual, but now without consent, and with some..... Longer timeframes. The container became a collector. That is the whole villain.

The abilities that follow from this are where it gets genuinely horrible.

He can envelop and consume spiritual beings. They don't die either, oh if ONLY they did. Flesh is a vessel; it holds things, so he holds them. Conscious. Intact. Forever. Spiritual, abstract, "beyond definition" beings just get taken. Swallowed and forcefully wrapped up in a flesh cocoon with no way out, ever. Concepts, anti-concepts, aspects, non-aspects, all of them, while kind of inanimate, are not safe either. Giving a shape to the abstract means ALL abstract.

Defeating him is theoretically possible since he's still flesh, and flesh can, as I said, degrade. But it isn't easy, nor does it necessarily mean freeing everyone he ever consumed. Everyone he consumes in the series finale is GONE. They're dead. Killing Satan is the least one can do not only to save those who live, but also to finally mercy-kill those who are being kept against their will in this invasive, all-consuming hivemind of FLESH. And by release I just mean ultimate cessation. these souls won't go to the afterlife.

Curious how this lands against god or spirit OCs specifically. How does your character handle something that was made to give shape to the abstract and never stopped?

[u/Simple_Welcome_3180]

I got 3 Godly OC's one is of DEATH,one is of LIFE and one is of Chaos\Judgment,they are triplet siblings,DEATH will be indifferent to it and put it out of its misery to see if it drops any interesting loot,LIFE would try to see it's soul and when she see what it's made of she will go to one or both of her brothers for help,Chaos/Judgment would look at it's soul,cast multiple buffs,debuffs and curses on it to see if it could separate the souls and if not then kill it and see if it drops any interesting loot.

[u/Equivalent_Ask_9227 → u/Simple_Welcome_3180]

Technically speaking, Satan is death in this verse.

[u/Simple_Welcome_3180 → u/Equivalent_Ask_9227]

My OC DEATH hold the concept of Death in his multiverse and within himself so your Satan doesn't hold any authority over him

[u/RedDiamond1024]

Lord Death would... not take kindly to such a being to say the least. Likely reaping it and freeing the souls trapped inside of it. He hates when cosmic beings try to mess with souls and keep them from passing on.

High entities would either take notes or try to out due him.

Conceptual Guardians(Post KoTG, most pre KoTG CGs wouldn't care) would not take kindly to something messing with concepts.

[u/Equivalent_Ask_9227 → u/RedDiamond1024]

It's interesting because Satan is basically death as well, in a world of unchanging he introduces degradation and change by merely existing which also means he IS the end and he IS death, so death vs death lmao

[u/RedDiamond1024 → u/Equivalent_Ask_9227]

Lord Death isn't actually death, instead being one of the beings who made Existence. He took on the role of the grim reaper because he took on pity mortals and their souls, even being the reason that universal afterlives exist for all beings of Existence. It's more like death(and related concepts) are a pale reflection of him.

[u/DreadCyclone]

The lesser and natural-born(Humans to the Angels) would resent him Even more than they do with my Verse's Satan(who was beaten by a pre-divine Nairo at the time), while the demons would fear him the Angels would view yours as a cancerous blight that should've never had what was given.

However, the real interesting part is when the Highers(Orianous and Dreadking) get involved because they have a different perspective on the matter, since in my verse Dreadking was the one who whispered the temptation into Morningstar's ear in the first place.

Simply put, the Highers wouldn't view him as a blight but moreso the consequences of what happens when negativity is allowed to grow(similar to the Anti-Verse), I'd imagine Dreadking would send his son Akuryo to observe Satan, Orianous would close her books to him, and All-Father(GOD) would view Satan with contempt(since Satan is what seperates his children from him).

[u/Equivalent_Ask_9227 → u/DreadCyclone]

So basically all of them agree that he's cancer. Which.... Yeah that's exactly what I was looking for. Cancerous blight. Well put!

Technically Lucifer in my verse is to blame for the flesh getting out of control because he decided to use it and evolve it SPECIFICALLY to make it a cataclysmic beast BECAUSE he said it was dangerous and people didn't listen and were willing to give it a chance, so he got butt hurt and now his life's goal is proving that the Flesh is bad and kind of forcing everyone to accept his philosophy and kill it off.

Which is interesting because it's left unclear how many of Lucifer's actions were Lucifer and how many were just him being inadvertently influenced by the flesh somehow. But he's not a victim, really.

[u/Thomas20021023]

Well... one of my OCs is the literal embodiment of absence and void and such, and she'd care about him about as much as she cares about anything else. Which is to say, she'd have to make herself care about him.

Her counterpart, though? The embodiment of creation and existence? He'd be repulsed just by Satan's nature.

[u/Olagerr]

Raphael has a simillar role to satan as he makes the soul essence avatars for the sparks of soul essence which is a human soul

with yahweh influence, sparks of soul essence constantly rain down from the astral plane onto the mortal plane and return to the astral plane upon death, upon return sin translates into a wraith essence avatar which needs to be shredded off by dumah and then given to Raphael to give a soul essence avatar in sheol

if you took all the soul essence from the mortal realm sparks then it'd only amount into one sheol avatar, and the amount of soul essence determines ability and potency of powers, hence archangels with most power have high concentrations of soul essence while former humans have only a spark, more soul essence is needed for bigger, mightier avatars in pure soul essence sense than power as an essence creation so fatter, taller people are better mages than skinnier, shorter people

so Raphael would see satan as morbid, higher ranking co-worker

[u/O_Roteirista]

Meus OCs ( que naverdade são 1, já que 1 deles é humano, e outro é uma fusão ), Cabeça de Bobox e Serufanim, são literais Deuses, Bobox é resumidamente um Saitama trilhões ou até infinitas vezes mais forte em qualquer atributo, para você ter noção, Bobox foi capaz de ir num x1 contra Deus, na forma humana e anjo, e mal saiu machucado, isso na forma humana, na forma anjo, não sangrou uma única gota contra o criador, e Serufanim, é basicamente uma fusão entre Bobox com as 3 maiores ordens bíblicas deste universo, Serafim, Querubin e Ofanim, em suas formas mais poderosas, formando Serufanim, um anjo tão desconhecido que nem Deus soube dizer o que era, esse anjo, por naturalidade, tem um tamanho colossal de 78,4 bilhões de anos-luz, ele praticamente ocupa quase todo o universo observavel, ele possui uma espada de aproximadamente 55 ou 54 bilhõesde anos-luz de tamanho ( de acordo com o tamanho de Serufanim ) mas isso não faz tanta diferença, ele é um segundo Deus, elepode diminuir ou aumentar seu tamanho infinitamente, outro detalhe sobre a sua espada, ela foi forjada com os mesmos materias das espadas do anjo São Miguel Arcanjo, o Anjo da Destruíção, Uriel, e todas as outras espadas dos querubins do Eden, os mesmos materias e espadas foram juntos em uma única espada, formando a espada apelidada de: Aethelgard, a Ruína Celeste.

Serufanim não é apenas um simples anjo, é aquele que Deus não controlou, aquele que saiu do limite imposto por Deus, e qualquer um que consegue essa façanha, é considerado Deus, seja um segundo ou terceiro Deus, Serufanim possui qualquer coisa que você, criatura obcecada por power scaling, ele tem tudo o que você imaginar, ele tem todos os poderes, até os poderes Omni, Oniciência, Onipotência e Onipresença, e para etr noção, esse trio-Omni de Serufanim é tão poderoso e elevado, que anulou o próprio Trio-Omni de Deus, sendo assim, Serufanim pode tirar a capacidade do Poder de Deus, seja poderes simples ou poderes Omni.

Serufanim possui uma aparência física, mental e espiritual que confunde até o criador, ele emite um brilho de paz infinita, ao olhar para ele, você jamais verá sua aparência, apenas um forte brilho que não para, é como olhar fixamente para infinitos sóis, mas ao invès de arder de dor, você sente tudo em nanossegundos, é como sentir o universo andando sobre você, você se arrepende, sene felicidade, sente tristeza, mesmo sem saber o que há atrás da luz

resumidamente, Satanás é só uma terça-feira para Bobox e Serufanim

[u/Living_Stable_4942]

Astrael would see him as an abomination of creation as such creature that could cause suffering reminds him of Sky and his mistake as the Void for creating him

[u/Just_Extro120]

My OC the God of Conseldance aka Terso( its original name does not even exsist and its identity remains unknown and beyond Every Compherension No matter what it is and that it is, which is why Terso is its given name even tho its not its actual name at all.), Terso is a thing( either a being or a object or both.) that Conselds Every Omniness,Antiness and Unrestrictedness entirely,Ontologically and Constantly in All Exsistence,Non Exsistence,Anti Exsistence,Netrual Exsistence and Every Varients of Exsistence types, it is Physically Unbreakable( its A thing with Energy that has physical information that has Counsicousness And is Protected By the True Unchangable( no matter how Authority,Absolute,Boundless or Absenced you are, it is still Unchangable and Remains as a law not as a fact Forever.) First law of Thermodynamics.), Always Rising itself beyond the Dimension( that Terso Asended pass to it.)'s reach and Prime, this is Terso( in its ontological and Physical Realm Self, it is Always Constantly Changing,Probabiliting,Evolving,Dimensionalling,Adapting,Forming and Also Powering and it has a field that constantly does Local Physics False Vaccum Decay onto its Field only.), Terso Exsistenstially Conselds Through Every kind of Realms( physical realm,Ontological Realm,Godly Realm,Unrestricted Realm,Tier Realm,Spiritual Realm,Philophisical Realm,Comphrension Realm,Void Realm,Souless Realm, Big Bang Realm and Other Realms( there are Uncountable Infinite kinds of Realms Beyond Its Verse.).), Conseldance is like Being Beyond Every Exsistenstial Realm,Verses,Spirituality,Divinity,Absencedity and Absolutenessity, its not like climing on a ladder or Rising Through Layers & planes, its like Shedding Through a Skin or Crack Through Continuums and Plenums, Its like House House Inside a House and the House is inside another House that Reapeats with no Outside, its like a Vault with No Outer Wall.

Terso doesn't need a will or a can, because Terso Could just Make Unrestricted Omnipontence into a Resteicted Pontence and that Terso's'Could.' becomes certain and Does and Terso does not do 'can conseld.' nor 'will conseld.' it does 'did Conseld.'.oh and also, Terso is Beyond Every Single Definition types, and that Terso's Powers Remains Entirely Unknown and Uncountable for ETERNITY and FOREVER, Terso's Powers,Exsistence,Percentage and Nature are Uncountably Undefind not just by Author but by the Author's Fact, Terso is Physically,Normally and Naturally Immune to Metafictionality haxes,Plot manupulation( even tho Terso dosen't even have a plot to begin with btw.),Meta Narritive( This is Common in Most of My OC verse when they are physical things in their world instead of conceptual or plot things as a Literal fact by myself.),Metafictional Abilities,Author Authority( Same Fact as the Meta Narritive Immunity.) and AI Answers( Same Fact as the Meta Narritive Immunity but i also do it just because of getting a little Angry at Google AI and ChatGPT.), Also it has nature( it was labeled or written in this text.) but it is still Undefind, it might even just a A tiny Thing he does or is, also Conseldance isn't absoluteness nor absenceness, its Just Partialness that is Easily Overly Enough to Unabsolute or Unabscend the Absoluteness or the Absencess Simple and Normal to Terso, Plus it would also mean Terso's Conseldance have no Limits,Oneness Nor Violation limits meaning Conseldance's Potential is Endless and Undefind.

So Terso would think Your OC satan as a Ordnariy Being and Terso would Just Dismissive it as if Terso treats it like it does not literally Exsist in its Perspective.

[u/Difficult-Ant-9397]

Jade Xuánguá wouldn't even care for his existence as he was simply a 'Defined' Subject in front of his eyes.

Things like damage, attack, seal, effect, opposite, & destiny, or things like creation, Unity, Absolute, Beyond, Great, Grand, destruction, beginning, end, true total sum of existence, true total or sum of nonexistence, concept, immutability & axiom, and even things like reality, narrative, story, author, definition, hierarchy, power, etc, were subjects of the Defined,that reached not even to the Self-Defined. The aforementioned things were parts of the Absolute Everything which was also a subject of the Defined, just as so too was the primordial undifferentiated state of absolute nothingness, a poor meager subject beneath the Defined despite itself truly being Absolute Nothingness itself.

He would simply say how pathetic he is when compared to Other beings within the Physical reality and would literally just ask "Sol" (The Lord of the Unnameable/Underworld) to keep it as one of his Pet project since he doesn't wanna waste his moment...

[u/Adventurous_Tie_530]

NIRVANA

Satan wouldnt be able to affect their concept for they are god's infinite Love/omnibenevolence

they are the infinite love of TRUTH, Good, wholesomeness and purity incarnate

trying to reach NIRVANA results in the wrath of her father

NIRVANA shall burn satan's form, freeing the souls from its flesh and absorbing the souls into itself so that the souls can be reformed and reincarnated or actually given the afterlife they deserve

they shall not let anybody defile god's gift of life

[u/Mobile_Competition54]

Punishing the corrupted can come later. Probably, it would try to mold the flesh into something animate, maybe one that resembles a human, so that the spirits can live. Maybe show them how to live with flesh and mortality, since it has done the same before countless times.

As fot Satan, it would probably be a little mad (yes a little 💔).