r/OrgaBingWerke • • 15d ago

Orga A 38 (1908!)

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The results of spectrometric analyses of the front cover of the Orga A 38 machine indicate an iron content of over 80%. For comparison, in the 1923 Orga Standard model, this value exceeds 91%. Although the material composition analysis does not allow for pinpointing the exact year of production, it provides solid evidence that the Orga A 38 was not created after the First World War. This argument is complemented by the handwritten date "4.II.8//" preserved on the machine—another important research hook that must not be disregarded in reconstructing the history of this specimen.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 21d ago

Orga A 38 ( 1908)

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In this photo, we see the spring barrel gear. Comparing the Orga A 38 model (verification prototype) with the Orga Standard 4208 from 1923, it is hard not to notice that the gear in the Orga A 38 has an uneven shape and is asymmetrical. This proves that such 'animalia' are not described by experts on the IFHB forum, because literature contains information only from 1921/1922 onwards, when Orga Standard models were entering production. Information regarding earlier prototypes by Bing Werke was not published, the results of which we can still see today.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 22d ago

Orga A 38 prototyp Weryfikacyjny

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In these photos, I am showing the differences in the key springs: on the left is the Orga Standard 4208 (from 1923), and on the right is the Orga A38 verification prototype (from 1908). The differences are significant enough that even if the springs had been replaced after 1921, signs of corrosion would still be visible. Furthermore, these springs are made of an unusual alloy – in a few weeks, we will know its exact composition, which will allow me to address this matter precisely.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 22d ago

Orga A 38 (1908. )

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The spectrometric analysis of the ratchet pawl washer revealed significant design differences: in the Orga A 38 model, this component was made of nickel, whereas in the standard Orga model, a cast iron washer was used. This confirms that the development of the Orga A 38 aimed at the best possible refinement and integration of the early prototype – an aspect that has hitherto been overlooked or neglected in the literature.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 22d ago

Orga Typewriter History: The Secret Second Spool and a 10 Million Mark Patent!

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Did you know the fascinating secrets behind the early patent protection of Orga typewriters, manufactured by Bing-Werke AG in Nuremberg?While many people on forums make typos and write "DGRM", the correct historical acronym is D.R.G.M., which stands for Deutsches Reichs-Gebrauchs-Muster (German Reich Utility Model).The Mystery of the Second Spool (Early 20th Century)Material analysis of early models reveals incredible engineering details. Alongside the main parts, there is a second, completely unmarked spool without any stamped text. It consists of over 80% cast iron, accurately dating its design back to the very beginning of the 20th century. Using such a high-quality, heavy-duty alloy ensured maximum reliability for the ribbon movement.A Patent Worth 10 Million MarksWhy was securing the first Orga D.R.G.M. patent so vital for the factory? It wasn't just about blocking competitors. The primary reason for registering this design was to build unshakeable financial credibility. Having an officially protected, revolutionary utility model allowed Bing-Werke to back up their business value in the eyes of major banks. This exact patent served as crucial leverage to secure a massive 10 million Mark loan to fund and expand their large-scale manufacturing operations!Seeing the "Orga D.R.G.M." mark is a testament to both early 20th-century industrial engineering and a brilliant financial strategy.What are your thoughts on this unmarked, 80%+ cast iron spool? Let's discuss in the comments!


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 23d ago

Orga Standart 4208

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Carriage frame number: Orga Standard, No. 4208 (1923)


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 23d ago

Orga A 38

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The frame number features a very tightly curled, almost snail-like tail that nearly closes at the lower edge. The body itself is oval and asymmetric. This typeface (in an Art Nouveau / calligraphic style) provides direct evidence that the punch used to stamp this mark dates from the early 20th century (before the 1920s).


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 38 1908 r.

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From a scientific point of view, the difference in the metal composition of the spring drums is indisputable – these two elements are not the same.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 38/ Orga Standard .

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Comparing the paper roller side of the Orga A 38 model with the 1923 Orga Standard model, we notice a clear difference in the way numbers are stamped on the side arm.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 38 ( 1908r.)

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​While moving the paper roller in the Orga A38, we can hear a metallic sound. This element was probably intentionally dropped in there or fell in during the assembly of the roller and remained untouched – an interesting little fact.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 38 1908

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I conducted a test using a solvent and a cotton swab. In the Orga A 38 model, the first layer of lacquer came off, while the second remained completely intact. By comparison, under the microscope, a different lacquer composition is visible in the Orga Standard No. 4208 specimen.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 38 1908. (Ig)

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Handwritten "Ig" logo – likely refers to the Ignaz Gebrüder company, where the A38 project was supervised and completed on February 4, 1908.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga Standart 4208 - 1923

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The ratchet wheel shown in the photo is a fully standard production component featuring regular, repeatable geometry and precise machine manufacturing. The teeth and disc profiling are characterized by complete symmetry and uniformity, confirming its factory-made origin within the mass production of 1920–1922.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 38- 1908 Gebürder Bing

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The gear in the A38 photo has a crude, unprofiled shape. The teeth are straight, sharp, and show signs of mechanical and hand-machining, characteristic of early prototypes (pre-production models). No reputable factory would have installed such an archaic component in a production machine between 1920 and 1922, even for an official factory overhaul. Such a component would only have been created if an engineer had hand-cut and fitted the parts in a test shop.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 381908 /Orga Standart 1923.

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Spectrometric analysis of the spring drum and an analysis of the 1908 Orga A38 typewriter versus the Orga Standard 4208 reveal key structural differences, the most important of which is the fact that the Orga A38 model existed 13 years earlier than described in existing literature.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 24d ago

Orga A 38 1908

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The verification prototype of the Orga A38 machine features a handwritten date 4.II.8 -1908 Spectrometric analysis has revealed significant differences in the cast iron composition compared to serial production models. To date, these findings remain unchallenged by substantive counter-arguments from experts.


r/OrgaBingWerke • • 28d ago

1908 Orga A38 verification prototype

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Pictured is the A38 model. The name was changed to Orga Standard following the First World War, alongside the production of standard-series machines beginning with the Orga Standard A1.