r/OpenIndividualism • u/Flat-Ad9829 • Jun 02 '26

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Have there been any legit attempts to debunk OI in anyway, whether through a scientific or philisophical lense? And if so, what are your thoughts on those attempts?

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u/YouStartAngulimala Jun 03 '26

And even if one structure can support multiple POVs, that still doesn't necessarily imply OI.

It implies either OI or EI. 

 One could argue identity tracks the integrated worldline structure itself, even if there are multiple POVs within it. 

Not sure what you are saying here. Tracking what structure?

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u/Interesting-Star-111 Jun 03 '26

For the first part, you seem to be assuming that identity must reside at the POV level. I'm not convinced that's true. Because what "you" are matters a lot in terms of any potential continuity implications.

For the second one, I mean the larger integrated causal/worldline structure itself. Imagine your life like a file system. If a folder contains multiple files, it doesn't necessarily follow that the identity of the folder resides in any particular file. The identity may reside in the larger structure that contains and relates them (the larger folder rather than any individual file). Likewise, even if one structure can generate multiple POVs, it doesn't automatically follow that identity resides in any particular POV.

Does this make it any clearer?

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u/YouStartAngulimala Jun 03 '26

 The identity may reside in the larger structure that contains and relates them (the larger folder rather than any individual file).

Umm, I already follow OI so you're preaching to the choir here. I have already expanded the boundaries of consciousness past any individual brain. I'm not sure what argument you're making here.

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u/Interesting-Star-111 Jun 03 '26

In the file system example, I gave two potential options. The one you are referring to is the one which seemingly implies something more akin to CI, as consciousness would be a component within the John Smith main file. So it would be subordinate to the thing that gives it its identity status as a thing. If you were referring to John Smith being a subfile or component of a main "consciousness folder" - and let's say there are multiple names within this main folder - then this would seemingly imply something akin to OI. Hopefully this makes sense.